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  • Ein Heldenleben
    Full Member
    • Apr 2014
    • 6932

    I think though I am no expert we just had two accurate Tárrega(s) from Georgia which makes up for a Messyann from one of her colleagues yesterday

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    • french frank
      Administrator/Moderator
      • Feb 2007
      • 30455

      Originally posted by Heldenleben View Post
      I think though I am no expert we just had two accurate Tárrega(s) from Georgia which makes up for a Messyann from one of her colleagues yesterday
      I had an email from the absent Richard Tarleton this very morn - he confirms from beyond what you say!
      It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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      • Ein Heldenleben
        Full Member
        • Apr 2014
        • 6932

        Originally posted by french frank View Post
        I had an email from the absent Richard Tarleton this very morn - he confirms from beyond what you say!
        The Tárrega is not a problem but getting the dentive in Francisco that’s a different matter

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        • gurnemanz
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 7405

          In a TV ad the other day I heard "marathon" pronounced as "marathon" with a full o sound. American version, I think, but the speaker was British. I might be overreacting in objecting but isn't the standard British way "marathn"? The same sort of thing is creeping in with "hurricane" for normal British "hurricn. (As in nickname of snooker player, Higgins.)

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          • kernelbogey
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 5803

            Cicadas

            Martin putting the stress on the first syllable this morning on Breakfast: I've always thought it went on the second.

            (So do several listeners.)

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            • Ein Heldenleben
              Full Member
              • Apr 2014
              • 6932

              Originally posted by kernelbogey View Post
              Cicadas

              Martin putting the stress on the first syllable this morning on Breakfast: I've always thought it went on the second.

              (So do several listeners.)
              It’s a Latin word so no one can say with much authority how it should be pronounced . For what it’s worth There is a school of thought that the c’s in Latin should be sounded like K’s as in Kikero rather than Sisero for Cicero.

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              • oddoneout
                Full Member
                • Nov 2015
                • 9271

                Originally posted by kernelbogey View Post
                Cicadas

                Martin putting the stress on the first syllable this morning on Breakfast: I've always thought it went on the second.

                (So do several listeners.)
                I wondered about that and noticed that he changed it later so perhaps there had been a quick check.

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                • kernelbogey
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 5803

                  Originally posted by Heldenleben View Post
                  It’s a Latin word so no one can say with much authority how it should be pronounced . For what it’s worth There is a school of thought that the c’s in Latin should be sounded like K’s as in Kikero rather than Sisero for Cicero.
                  'Kikadas' would be rather onomatopoeic!

                  Edit: I then wonder where the Italian pronuciation of Latin c as ch comes from: perhaps something to do with Tuscan/Florentine dialect?

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                  • LMcD
                    Full Member
                    • Sep 2017
                    • 8637

                    Originally posted by oddoneout View Post
                    I wondered about that and noticed that he changed it later so perhaps there had been a quick check.
                    I think a listener - possibly based on a Greek island? - got in touch to put him right.
                    I was much more bothered by the appallingly twee 'murder' - the artistes' word - of Tom Lehrer's pigeon control classic.

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                    • vinteuil
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 12936

                      .

                      ... I see my early [1933] OED only has one pronunciation -

                      si 'kay da

                      I think I have more usually thought of it as

                      si 'kaa da

                      But the OED supplement also has the word cicad , explained as an anglicized form of cicada.

                      and cicad is pronounced 'si kad

                      So perhaps that explains some doubts as to pronunciation?

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                      • Ein Heldenleben
                        Full Member
                        • Apr 2014
                        • 6932

                        Originally posted by kernelbogey View Post
                        'Kikadas' would be rather onomatopoeic!

                        Edit: I then wonder where the Italian pronuciation of Latin c as ch comes from: perhaps something to do with Tuscan/Florentine dialect?
                        I don’t know but that sounds eminently likely - particular the onomatopoeic theory.You are onto something there - time for a campaign . It’s like the debate over Veni, Vidi , Vici . Somehow whenny,weedy,weechee, doesn’t sound right . But then if we spoke Shakespeare as he did rather than John Gielgud did - which was probably a mix of Yorkshire, Brum , and US Virginian mountain folk that would sound a bit weird as well.

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                        • Ein Heldenleben
                          Full Member
                          • Apr 2014
                          • 6932

                          Originally posted by LMcD View Post
                          I think a listener - possibly based on a Greek island? - got in touch to put him right.
                          I was much more bothered by the appallingly twee 'murder' - the artistes' word - of Tom Lehrer's pigeon control classic.
                          Yes I hated that . Contrast with the magnificent ( and all so true) Flanders and Swann ‘Reproduction’ on R3 yesterday afternoon . That is comic genius ….

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                          • kernelbogey
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 5803

                            Originally posted by Heldenleben View Post
                            Yes I hated that . .
                            Me too!

                            Contrast with the magnificent ( and all so true) Flanders and Swann ‘Reproduction’ on R3 yesterday afternoon . That is comic genius ….
                            'The ear can't hear as high as that: still, it should please some passing bat!'

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                            • LMcD
                              Full Member
                              • Sep 2017
                              • 8637

                              Originally posted by Heldenleben View Post
                              Yes I hated that . Contrast with the magnificent ( and all so true) Flanders and Swann ‘Reproduction’ on R3 yesterday afternoon . That is comic genius ….
                              Thanks to that particular Flanders and Swann song, I've never suffered from 'flutter on my bottom'.

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                              • Ein Heldenleben
                                Full Member
                                • Apr 2014
                                • 6932

                                Originally posted by kernelbogey View Post
                                Me too!



                                'The ear can't hear as high as that: still, it should please some passing bat!'
                                The bit with the patronising hifi expert explaining why their current system is patently inadequate and can only be solved by increasing the size of the room is almost an uncanny parody of some of my more techyy friends .

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