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  • jean
    Late member
    • Nov 2010
    • 7100

    Originally posted by Radio64 View Post
    I also find it interesting that Italians pronounce the surname of the well-known (and home-grown) actress as LO-ren, as opposed to the English/American lo-REN.
    American, yes - but English?

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    • Pulcinella
      Host
      • Feb 2014
      • 10887

      Originally posted by kernelbogey View Post
      I received a short Italian lesson from a fruit seller in Sicily once, whom I had asked for half a kilo of fish.
      That one (peaches and fish) always gets me: not helped by our pescatorial!

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      • Nick Armstrong
        Host
        • Nov 2010
        • 26523

        Originally posted by kernelbogey View Post
        I received a short Italian lesson from a fruit seller in Sicily once, whom I had asked for half a kilo of fish.
        "...the isle is full of noises,
        Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
        Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
        Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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        • kernelbogey
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 5735

          Cali: loved your pastiche of KD's 'Antonio Pappano'!

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          • DaisyDog
            Full Member
            • Jun 2016
            • 54

            Pronunciation? Ask Katie Derham, the worst word mangler of them all. Her gabbled and overenthusiastic renditions of Italian are a hoot. And how about her ‘gon-DOLE-ier’s song’, the ConCERT - gebowe (two words) Orchestra. Even dear old Rob is not immune. He’s of the ‘ Henry pur-CELL’, Evgeny Kiss-ENE, Anatoly 'LIA-Dorf, persuasion. Still, it keep one entertained, as it should.

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            • Serial_Apologist
              Full Member
              • Dec 2010
              • 37591

              Originally posted by jean View Post
              American, yes - but English?
              I was wondering about that one, too.

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              • french frank
                Administrator/Moderator
                • Feb 2007
                • 30243

                Originally posted by jean View Post
                American, yes - but English?
                Pixiwoo sounds English to me

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fq61rFEj3qQ (a few seconds in).

                And Emma, quite authoritatively, tell us Lo-REN

                Though an Italian-sounding man tells us it's LO-ren

                Perhaps these women only 'sound Italian' because they pronounce it LO-ren. (then again, forvo tells us they ARE from Italy.

                So yes. Common English was (is?) Lo-REN. Not to say there weren't/aren't people saying LO-ren as well …
                It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                • jean
                  Late member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 7100

                  Originally posted by french frank View Post
                  Pixiwoo sounds English to me
                  She does, I agree. But later in the video she says drugstore. So I suspect creeping Americanisation.

                  (What is this woman doing in your YouTube archive, I wonder?)

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                  • Serial_Apologist
                    Full Member
                    • Dec 2010
                    • 37591

                    Originally posted by french frank View Post
                    Pixiwoo sounds English to me

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fq61rFEj3qQ (a few seconds in).

                    And Emma, quite authoritatively, tell us Lo-REN

                    Though an Italian-sounding man tells us it's LO-ren

                    Perhaps these women only 'sound Italian' because they pronounce it LO-ren. (then again, forvo tells us they ARE from Italy.

                    So yes. Common English was (is?) Lo-REN. Not to say there weren't/aren't people saying LO-ren as well …
                    I've often cited LOren, as have others, as an example of the phantom R ubiquitously inserted between words ending in w and beginning with a vowel, such as Law rand order, by otherwise RP-speaking southerners - LauREN order would not sound right, would it?!

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                    • vinteuil
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 12788

                      ... it's always been Lo-REN for me, as far as I recall.

                      The only question was whether it shd be So-FYE-a or So-FEE-a

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                      • oddoneout
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2015
                        • 9144

                        Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
                        - LauREN order would not sound right, would it?!
                        No it wouldn't, but I always thought her name was Laura Norder, in which case the problem doesn't arise.
                        The phantom 'R' afflicts choirs, that tiresome girl Gloria Rin being a serial offender.

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                        • french frank
                          Administrator/Moderator
                          • Feb 2007
                          • 30243

                          Originally posted by jean View Post
                          (What is this woman doing in your YouTube archive, I wonder?)
                          I don't think it's in my archive I just googled some words like loren pronounced uk youtube - can't remember exactly. Pixiwoo was the top hit

                          I agree with vinteuil: Lo-REN it was (though it was always soFEEa). I suppose people who spoke Italian and knew better got it right.
                          It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                          • Bert Coules
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 763

                            I was only half-listening so I can't be sure: did I really hear "boat-swain" on R3 this morning?

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                            • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                              Gone fishin'
                              • Sep 2011
                              • 30163

                              Originally posted by Bert Coules View Post
                              I was only half-listening so I can't be sure: did I really hear "boat-swain" on R3 this morning?
                              A young chap who really likes boats?
                              [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                              • Bryn
                                Banned
                                • Mar 2007
                                • 24688

                                Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                                A young chap who really likes boats?
                                Well at least he did not confuse it with Higgs.

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