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  • Roger Webb
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    • Feb 2024
    • 1208

    Originally posted by LMcD View Post

    'The Sea' was written by Frank Bridge, and 'La Mer' by Claude Debussy.............
    And as every BBC presenter will tell you, one of them was written in Eastbourne.......but which one? (Clue: they never tell you the one that actually was!!!)

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    • Master Jacques
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      • Feb 2012
      • 2177

      Originally posted by LMcD View Post
      Edward Heath's spoken French was arguably no better than Churchill's.
      But unlike Heath, Churchill couldn't have conducted a half-decent performance of Elgar's Cockaigne.

      A music-selling friend of mine gifted me Sir Edward's conducting scores of the Greensleeves fantasia and Pomp & Circumstance No.1 - both unsellable for practical purposes as he'd marked everything up in bright red ink. I kept the RVW/Greaves but believe the Elgar score (which I passed on to an Elgarian Tory friend) ended up as a curiosity in one of the composer's museums.

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      • LMcD
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        • Sep 2017
        • 9030

        Originally posted by Roger Webb View Post

        And as every BBC presenter will tell you, one of them was written in Eastbourne.......but which one? (Clue: they never tell you the one that actually was!!!)
        It was my understanding that both the Debussy and the Frank Bridge were completed in Eastbourne.
        Debussy stayed at the Grand Hotel. Bridge was a regular visitor to nearby Friston, although he died in Eastbourne. He was interred in the graveyard of the Church of St Simon and St Jude in Friston.
        Last edited by LMcD; 30-03-25, 23:06.

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        • smittims
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          • Aug 2022
          • 4879

          I've always marvelled at the War Office's decisioin 1914 to appoint as Commander in Chief of the BEF an officer who could not speak a word of French. Ironically , his name was French!

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          • vinteuil
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            • Nov 2010
            • 13284

            Originally posted by LMcD View Post

            It was my understanding that both the Debussy and the Frank Bridge were completed in Eastbourne...
            ... just to warn bystanders - this is Roger's Specialist Subject



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            • Roger Webb
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              • Feb 2024
              • 1208

              Originally posted by LMcD View Post

              It was my understanding that both the Debussy and the Frank Bridge were completed in Eastbourne.
              Debussy stayed at the Grand Hotel. Bridge was a regular visitor to nearby Friston, although he died in Eastbourne. He was interred in the graveyard of the Church of St Simon and St Jude in Friston.
              As Vinteuil's compliment (?) came bearing a challenge....here goes!

              Debussy's La Mer was mainly written in landlocked Burgundy (Bichain)..'...amongst a sea of vines...'...he wrote to Massenet. He worked on it at several locations incl. Paris, various locations on the Normandy coast and Jersey. The completed score was delivered to his publisher Durand on 5th March 1905...he urged Durand to hurry with the printing of the proofs as he wanted to take them away that summer to correct them.

              On 23rd July he arrived at Eastbourne (the Grand Hotel's register says he signed in on 24th), here it is assumed he corrected the parts to La Mer........he also wrote a replacement first movt. for Images bk 1, which he called 'Reflets dans l'eau' .......an interesting fact given his location, although the water in the title is obviously not the sea. This fact is never mentioned by presenters when this piece is played!

              Frank Bridge actually stayed at the Grand Hotel to write 'The Sea', interestingly, it's not known whether this was all written there, but a substantial part was......but not in the grand suite (Room 200) that Debussy had occupied. At this time Bridge had not built his house at Friston (called Friston Field, and disappointingly 'bungalowy' looked at today!). Bridge did more than visit Friston - he and his wife lived there for the rest of their lives, as has been stated they are both in the graveyard.

              More info on Debussy's stay in Eastbourne here by a local journalist - mainly interested in Debussy's Blüthner piano, which it's now believed he purcahased in Eastbourne.



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              • cloughie
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                • Dec 2011
                • 22306

                Originally posted by LMcD View Post

                On the other hand - why can't UK sports reporters be bothered to pronounce 'France' properly when it's preceded by 'Tour de' ?
                And we should prounce Paris - Paree!

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                • LMcD
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                  • Sep 2017
                  • 9030

                  Originally posted by Roger Webb View Post

                  As Vinteuil's compliment (?) came bearing a challenge....here goes!

                  Debussy's La Mer was mainly written in landlocked Burgundy (Bichain)..'...amongst a sea of vines...'...he wrote to Massenet. He worked on it at several locations incl. Paris, various locations on the Normandy coast and Jersey. The completed score was delivered to his publisher Durand on 5th March 1905...he urged Durand to hurry with the printing of the proofs as he wanted to take them away that summer to correct them.

                  On 23rd July he arrived at Eastbourne (the Grand Hotel's register says he signed in on 24th), here it is assumed he corrected the parts to La Mer........he also wrote a replacement first movt. for Images bk 1, which he called 'Reflets dans l'eau' .......an interesting fact given his location, although the water in the title is obviously not the sea. This fact is never mentioned by presenters when this piece is played!

                  Frank Bridge actually stayed at the Grand Hotel to write 'The Sea', interestingly, it's not known whether this was all written there, but a substantial part was......but not in the grand suite (Room 200) that Debussy had occupied. At this time Bridge had not built his house at Friston (called Friston Field, and disappointingly 'bungalowy' looked at today!). Bridge did more than visit Friston - he and his wife lived there for the rest of their lives, as has been stated they are both in the graveyard.

                  More info on Debussy's stay in Eastbourne here by a local journalist - mainly interested in Debussy's Blüthner piano, which it's now believed he purcahased in Eastbourne.



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                  Thank you .
                  Every day I learn, Mr Fawlty .

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                  • LMcD
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                    • Sep 2017
                    • 9030

                    Originally posted by cloughie View Post

                    And we should prounce Paris - Paree!
                    And don't forget the 'Pree De Romm' !.

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                    • Roger Webb
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                      • Feb 2024
                      • 1208

                      Originally posted by LMcD View Post

                      Thank you .
                      Every day I learn, Mr Fawlty .
                      'Formidable!' .............(Fawlty to AA Gill's mother playing Mme Peignoir in 'The Wedding Party'..but pronounced the English way)

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                      • LMcD
                        Full Member
                        • Sep 2017
                        • 9030

                        Originally posted by Roger Webb View Post

                        'Formidable!' .............(Fawlty to AA Gill's mother playing Mme Peignoir in 'The Wedding Party'..but pronounced the English way)
                        Hitler's missus also gave Basil another chance to put his foot in it, I seem to recall..

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                        • Roger Webb
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                          • Feb 2024
                          • 1208

                          Originally posted by LMcD View Post

                          Hitler's missus also gave Basil another chance to put his foot in it, I seem to recall..
                          'Liebe Prawn!'

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                          • vinteuil
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 13284

                            Originally posted by Roger Webb View Post

                            Yes, the AI-sounding announcer on YLE can even manage Atterberg - a feat totally beyond anyone at the BBC!
                            ... do we think the yle.klassinen announcer is in fact an AI production?

                            As far as I can tell 'he' is the only announcer, regardless of the time of day or night...


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                            • Roger Webb
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                              • Feb 2024
                              • 1208

                              Originally posted by vinteuil View Post

                              ... do we think the yle.klassinen announcer is in fact an AI production?

                              As far as I can tell 'he' is the only announcer, regardless of the time of day or night...


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                              I don't know how it's done....I did say 'AI-sounding', but I think perhaps they are merely pre-recorded and tacked-on by the computer.

                              I've heard a lady, but not for a while...a sort of Suomi Alker, and only in the afternoon (I tend to listen most in the morning) - when the trumpets change to clarinets it's walks and shopping time!

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                              • LMcD
                                Full Member
                                • Sep 2017
                                • 9030

                                Originally posted by vinteuil View Post

                                ... do we think the yle.klassinen announcer is in fact an AI production?

                                As far as I can tell 'he' is the only announcer, regardless of the time of day or night...


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                                I definitely heard a brief intake of breath this morning - but I suppose that could have been AI-generated.

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