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  • Pabmusic
    Full Member
    • May 2011
    • 5537

    #61
    Originally posted by PatrickOD View Post
    'We use it because that's what we do.' Pabmusic.

    May I borrow that, Pabmusic, if I ever again have the temerity to provoke a discussion on the apostrophe? Your explanation convinces me. Thank you.
    However, to retain some credibility, may I observe that some can, and some can't, and I think I will always continue to apostrophise - I couldn't bear not to.
    And so will I continue to...it's ingrained.

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    • vinteuil
      Full Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 12801

      #62
      Originally posted by Pabmusic View Post
      And so will I continue to...it's ingrained.
      Yes, I too will continue with the 'correct' use of the apostrofee - but (as I am sure I have said elsewhere on these Boards... ) - I am now more forgiving of those who don't - particularly after years spent reading many 18th and 19th century texts where the writers frequently "get it wrong" - I think I adduced the example of Coleridge who regularly uses it's as the possessive...

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      • Flosshilde
        Full Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 7988

        #63
        Is someone who decides to abandon the use of the apostrophe an apostrophate?

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        • Don Petter

          #64
          I recently received an email from Eurostar starting thus:

          Dear Traveller,
          Having previously travelled with Eurostar we would be very interested in your views and opinions about how you perceive the Eurostar brand and how it compares to other companies you may be aware of in order to ensure we are meeting your needs.


          What hope is there when a major concern can't even compose such an item without starting with one of the most elementary grammar mistakes (leaving aside 'compares to' instead of 'compares with')?

          I'm also not quite sure what other companies we can choose when using the tunnel, but I suppose they could be referring to ferries and airlines.

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          • PatrickOD

            #65
            Look on the bright side, Don. There are five vulnerable Ss there, and not an apostrophe in sight.

            (I may be in for a pasting - what is the plural of s?)

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            • Pabmusic
              Full Member
              • May 2011
              • 5537

              #66
              Leave aside the bad grammar and absence of punctuation. Does it make sense nevertheless? What they seek are your "views and opinions" (could they be different?) of how you "perceive" their brand - not your opinion of their service, note. I suspect that you have a deep insight into such things and the quality of your perception was therefore first class. And, by the way, how was the trip?

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              • Don Petter

                #67
                My trip (most recently last April) was fine, though, unlike my perception, it was not first class.

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                • french frank
                  Administrator/Moderator
                  • Feb 2007
                  • 30259

                  #68
                  Originally posted by PatrickOD View Post
                  (I may be in for a pasting - what is the plural of s?)
                  Fowler [under POSSESSIVE PUZZLES] would suggest s's, since he accepts 'dot your i's and cross your t's as reasonable :-). And watch your p's and q's while you're at it.
                  It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                  • Chris Newman
                    Late Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 2100

                    #69
                    Originally posted by Flosshilde View Post
                    Is someone who decides to abandon the use of the apostrophe an apostrophate?
                    Much as I hate smileys ("smilies"?)

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                    • PatrickOD

                      #70
                      Originally posted by french frank View Post
                      Fowler [under POSSESSIVE PUZZLES] would suggest s's, since he accepts 'dot your i's and cross your t's as reasonable :-). And watch your p's and q's while you're at it.
                      Does that mean, ff, that in future I should address you as f's?

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                      • Segilla
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 136

                        #71
                        Originally posted by mangerton View Post
                        I think poor pronunciation has a lot to do with poor spelling.
                        How does this explain the frequent misspelling of lose / loose?

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                        • kernelbogey
                          Full Member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 5740

                          #72
                          Originally posted by Segilla View Post
                          How does this explain the frequent misspelling of lose / loose?
                          I suspect this may be to do with predictive text on mobile phones and/or spellcheck in Word etc. As in were/where/wear above. Another frequent misuse is now lead for led, as in 'he lead the procession'.

                          As to the 'Was you there' question raised by Shb in message 29: in the naval histories of Patrick O'Brian (early nineteenth century) this usage is much evident among the officers, as in 'Was you at the Battle of the Nile, Sir?'. I assume he based this on historical evidence.

                          What an entertaining thread. (I'll get me anorak.)

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                          • mangerton
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 3346

                            #73
                            Originally posted by Segilla View Post
                            How does this explain the frequent misspelling of lose / loose?

                            I said that I thought poor pronunciation had "a lot" to do with poor spelling, eg vulnerable, secretary, separate. It's not by any means the only reason.

                            I think kernelbogey (#72) has hit the nail on the head with his "predictive text" explanation. It's now rare to see "led" spelled correctly, and that situation has arisen very recently and very rapidly.

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                            • PatrickOD

                              #74
                              Stone the crow's!

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                              • MrGongGong
                                Full Member
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 18357

                                #75
                                Originally posted by PatrickOD View Post
                                What on E-arth will MR G-rew make of it all ?

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