When Thieves afll out...

[Guest]

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23982858-guardian-dismisses-wikileaks-claim.do

Oh dear, what a shame. Those two great bastions of "liberalism" - The Guardian and Wikileaks, seem to be having a little fall out.

My info is that the Guardian is right in this case. But how about this for delusional self-importance from Assange's mob:

"Revolutions and reforms are in danger of being lost as the unpublished cables spread to intelligence contractors and governments before the public."

"Every day that the corrupt leadership of a country or organisation knows of a pending WikiLeaks disclosure is a day spent planning how to crush revolution and reform."

It's interesting to speculate on whether using illegally-obtained material from the US Diplomatic Service is rather like using illegally-obtained material from phone hacking. It is, of course. But the screaming left can't use it to attack a media group whose views they don't agree with, so of course the usual double standards will apply...

[Paul Sherratt]

Sorry Simon, I thought you were on about the Tory / Bankers coalition !

[amateur51]

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...leaks-claim.do

Oh dear, what a shame. Those two great bastions of "liberalism" - The Guardian and Wikileaks, seem to be having a little fall out.

My info is that the Guardian is right in this case. But how about this for delusional self-importance from Assange's mob:



It's interesting to speculate on whether using illegally-obtained material from the US Diplomatic Service is rather like using illegally-obtained material from phone hacking. It is, of course. But the screaming left can't use it to attack a media group whose views they don't agree with, so of course the usual double standards will apply...

And the Telegraph's MP expenses leaks, Simon?

Left? Right? Straw Man alert!!

PS: be a good chap and render your title comprehensible

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

...or the Telegraph and MP's expenses? does the notion of 'public interest' not figure somewhere in all this, as opposed to the celebrity gossip fixation of the rags ..... if you do not have one already Simon, your last sentence would get you a job with the Rothermere Rag any day of the week ....

[Chris Newman]

After reading Message 1 I can only assume that there really is a very elderly frail moustachioed man living in a shack in the Amazon forest who periodically sends out radio signals instructing his remaining disciples to issue obscure press releases, as George Steiner suggested in his novella The Portage to San Cristobal of A.H. (1981).

[Simon]

So, Chris, leaving aside the little amusing but irrelevant vignettes - which I must say I appreciate on a literary level - what part of message 1 do you not agree with, and why?

As far as I can research, everything I wrote was correct, and the last sentence, whilst of course coming from a particular viewpoint, was absolutely accurate too.

[salymap]

Simon. Why not ask a host to correct 'Afll' perhaps ??

[Simon]

Thanks Salymap. I hadn't noticed!

ff might do it when she comes along.

Take care,

S-S!

[Lateralthinking1]

Simon - I believe we were in the same voting lobby on the HRA. However, being the independent spirit that I am, I should confirm here that I am a Wikileaks kind of guy.

[Simon]

Me too, in a way, Lat. Except when it damages what I perceive to be the national interest and is arguably irresponsible.

[Paul Sherratt]

>>I am a Wikileaks kind of guy

Whereas our Simon, Lat , is a founder member of WikiTeasers, an exclusive splinter which broke away from the more wooden WikiWinders.

[Simon]

[Chris Newman]

So, Chris, leaving aside the little amusing but irrelevant vignettes - which I must say I appreciate on a literary level - what part of message 1 do you not agree with, and why?

As far as I can research, everything I wrote was correct, and the last sentence, whilst of course coming from a particular viewpoint, was absolutely accurate too.

I was just being ironic, Simon: something rarely understood by the far right or left.

Quoted from salymap

Simon. Why not ask a host to correct 'Afll' perhaps ??

"Oh! You are Affl! But I like you!" (with thanks to Dick Emery)

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

...yes you are affl Simon, the notion of national security is challenging no? who defines it? not simply the people in charge, and especially not when the people in charge are the wrong people [which begs the question as to who are the right people .... but you like begging questions so i assume you can understand what i might be getting at ....]

Assange has been negligent granted in naming people publicly ... but to use this to calumny the whole enterprise merely shows that you did not like it in the first place ....

[Serial_Apologist]

I rather like affl and think it should stay - sniffl-snaffl, as Anthony Howard might put it