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  • vinteuil
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 12768

    #16
    Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
    ...without possession of the ideological criteria to to see through the distortions and half-truths...
    ... you assume there is a standpoint from which, a lens through which, one can see things plain? And that one can determine what is 'false consciousness' and what is 'true' apperception?

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    • Frances_iom
      Full Member
      • Mar 2007
      • 2411

      #17
      Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
      ... you assume there is a standpoint from which, a lens through which, one can see things plain? ...
      .
      That comes with membership of the Church of Marx (Karl rather than Groucho) - I suspect it is something like the belief in personal salvation that comes with Calvinism.

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      • Serial_Apologist
        Full Member
        • Dec 2010
        • 37563

        #18
        Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
        ... you assume there is a standpoint from which, a lens through which, one can see things plain? And that one can determine what is 'false consciousness' and what is 'true' apperception?

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        An overarching theory/discipline to account for the many lenses through which motivation/behaviour can be integrated and rendered intelligible in given circumstances is one aspect of it. The other side lies in the best in the ways of understanding humankind's place in "the scheme of things" followed by some ancient cultures, de-mystified of supernatural inferences (where they exist), in the light of scientific evidence.

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        • Serial_Apologist
          Full Member
          • Dec 2010
          • 37563

          #19
          Originally posted by Frances_iom View Post
          That comes with membership of the Church of Marx (Karl rather than Groucho) - I suspect it is something like the belief in personal salvation that comes with Calvinism.


          Adam Curtis's TV series The Century of the Self(2002) provided an object lesson!

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          • oddoneout
            Full Member
            • Nov 2015
            • 9136

            #20
            Originally posted by eighthobstruction View Post
            ....However, TWatO....very good 2 long investigations into Parliamentary Abuse and Whatsap Row which was fleshed out quite well (beyond my expectation)....I think they ignored the ITV thang....
            It took me a while to work that one out... Not helped by never listening to R4.

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            • french frank
              Administrator/Moderator
              • Feb 2007
              • 30213

              #21
              Originally posted by oddoneout View Post
              It took me a while to work that one out... Not helped by never listening to R4.
              Yes, I thought he was saying, "Silly me!" Sorry, 8thO
              It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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              • kernelbogey
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 5735

                #22
                Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
                I get all I need from my online Times subscription, the Guardian and Independent websites, and (mainly for amusement) York Press: Best Fish and Chip shops in North Yorkshire, for example.
                Is it still legal in Yorkshire to wrap the fish and chips in newspaper?

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                • eighthobstruction
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 6426

                  #23
                  ....ooo & ff....just glad to have been on your mind....
                  bong ching

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                  • hmvman
                    Full Member
                    • Mar 2007
                    • 1096

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
                    ...and (mainly for amusement) York Press: Best Fish and Chip shops in North Yorkshire, for example.
                    In case you're wondering:
                    Most days the headline seems to be "Major road closed" or "Accident on major road"

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                    • Pulcinella
                      Host
                      • Feb 2014
                      • 10872

                      #25
                      Originally posted by kernelbogey View Post
                      Is it still legal in Yorkshire to wrap the fish and chips in newspaper?
                      I'm not sure that the York Press qualifies as a newspaper!


                      Originally posted by hmvman View Post
                      Most days the headline seems to be "Major road closed" or "Accident on major road"
                      Indeed: so you have to investigate further to find out where (and indeed when!).

                      Tonight's is

                      Crash closes two lanes on major road - five mile tailbacks

                      which expands once you click on the headline to

                      Crash closes two lanes on A1 near A64 York Tadcaster turn

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                      • hmvman
                        Full Member
                        • Mar 2007
                        • 1096

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
                        ]Indeed: so you have to investigate further to find out where (and indeed when!).

                        Tonight's is

                        Crash closes two lanes on major road - five mile tailbacks

                        which expands once you click on the headline to

                        Crash closes two lanes on A1 near A64 York Tadcaster turn
                        I usually can't be bothered to investigate past the headline...

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                        • Cockney Sparrow
                          Full Member
                          • Jan 2014
                          • 2281

                          #27
                          Until 10:09, the Phillip Schofield interview and then a correspondent piece with the presenter of the News - 10 o'clock BBC1. Nigh on a third of the bulletin indulging the response to a media pile-in on one of their own, thrown to the tabloid wolves. For a matter which is an HR issue - in the absence of any evidence of unfair advantage or preying on vulnerability.

                          I suspect Phillip Schofield set up a BBC interview in an attempt to lance the boil of the newspaper and other media frenzy - with an organisation which, whatever one might say, does have published standards and is (after siginificant failures) attempting to uphold them, or at least can be held to account.

                          I've complained that it should at the most have been one or two minutes, extracted or summarised with reference to the full item available on the website, and at 9.25. Its crass and demeaning to the BBC to run this as the first item, and for 9 minutes, even if they have an exclusive.

                          If anyone else would like to complain about this complete distortion of reporting priorities:
                          Also - Newsnight, following on BBC2 chewed over the issue with reference to the suicide of Caroline Flack, with an interview of her mother.

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                          • alywin
                            Full Member
                            • Apr 2011
                            • 374

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Cockney Sparrow View Post
                            I've complained that it should at the most have been one or two minutes, extracted or summarised with reference to the full item available on the website, and at 9.25. Its crass and demeaning to the BBC to run this as the first item, and for 9 minutes, even if they have an exclusive.
                            Hardly the first time "we have an exclusive" has distorted reporting priorities on the BBC (and possibly ITV) recently, is it? And a reference *was* made to the full interview being available on the website, the implication being that what they showed wasn't it.

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                            • smittims
                              Full Member
                              • Aug 2022
                              • 4046

                              #29
                              Thanks for your informative #8, Heldenleben.

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                              • Ein Heldenleben
                                Full Member
                                • Apr 2014
                                • 6731

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Cockney Sparrow View Post
                                Until 10:09, the Phillip Schofield interview and then a correspondent piece with the presenter of the News - 10 o'clock BBC1. Nigh on a third of the bulletin indulging the response to a media pile-in on one of their own, thrown to the tabloid wolves. For a matter which is an HR issue - in the absence of any evidence of unfair advantage or preying on vulnerability.

                                I suspect Phillip Schofield set up a BBC interview in an attempt to lance the boil of the newspaper and other media frenzy - with an organisation which, whatever one might say, does have published standards and is (after siginificant failures) attempting to uphold them, or at least can be held to account.

                                I've complained that it should at the most have been one or two minutes, extracted or summarised with reference to the full item available on the website, and at 9.25. Its crass and demeaning to the BBC to run this as the first item, and for 9 minutes, even if they have an exclusive.

                                If anyone else would like to complain about this complete distortion of reporting priorities:
                                Also - Newsnight, following on BBC2 chewed over the issue with reference to the suicide of Caroline Flack, with an interview of her mother.
                                I wish you luck with it but , unless things have changed BBC , ITV and OFCOM don't “entertain” complaints about story selection , story length and running orders. The various codes are much more about fairness, impartially , bias , accuracy etc. Having said that there were so many complaints about the (perceived to be ) excessive mourning period for the Duke Of Edinburgh that it’s said the Beeb had a rethink about subsequent royal coverage. I actually liked the wall to wal music in Radio 3 after the D of E ‘s demise as I’m very much of the too much chat on R3 school.
                                On the Schofield story I’m amazed at the amount of coverage for a programme that gets under a million viewers. It’s not even in the top 50 . The cynic in me thinks that over the years This Morning has annoyed a lot of journos who are enjoying their revenge notably Eamonn Holmes whose interviews on GB News are miniature masterpieces of putting the boot in.
                                But behind the scenes there’ll be plenty who worked there , left or were kicked out , and are now in positions of power. There’s an interesting article by a former This Morning Head of News that’s absolutely scathing about the work culture.

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