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  • muzzer
    Full Member
    • Nov 2013
    • 1193

    #16
    The pomp side to this week, such as the proclamation process, leaves me cold. I can only see it alienating people, but then I’m suspicious of this stuff generally. Overall I think the Beeb has been fine, but I’ve not watched much else. History is unfolding, and I think the monarchy may be gradually unravelling.

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    • Bryn
      Banned
      • Mar 2007
      • 24688

      #17
      Originally posted by ahinton View Post
      Wasn't it a Parker Bowles?
      A pen formerly used by our the new Queen Consort?

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      • Nick Armstrong
        Host
        • Nov 2010
        • 26572

        #18
        Originally posted by Andrew View Post
        Being a big fan of fountain pens I was watching carefully to see the pen used. I think it was a Lamy, but I might be wrong. I know numerous treaties have been signed by Parker fountain pens in the past.

        Safe to say I think that the new King isn’t such a fan… judging by the further ‘pen & ink’ contretemps at Hillsborough Castle yesterday…



        Slightly shorter version here for those who have problems with Twitter: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-62901408

        "...the isle is full of noises,
        Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
        Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
        Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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        • Ein Heldenleben
          Full Member
          • Apr 2014
          • 6933

          #19
          Originally posted by Nick Armstrong View Post

          Safe to say I think that the new King isn’t such a fan… judging by the further ‘pen & ink’ contretemps at Hillsborough Castle yesterday…



          Slightly shorter version here for those who have problems with Twitter: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-62901408

          There is some suggestion that the “stinking pen” was a Parker pen. They hold the Royal Warrant apparently . If so this squares with my experience of Parker cartridge Pens which leaked all the time . Standard fountain pens with those rubber ink containers were less leaky but meant lugging around a Quink bottle - a high risk strategy at my school . When I say you were not permitted to submit homework with any ink blots to “young folk nowadays they just don’t believe you. “ . Eh lad we had it rough…

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          • Bryn
            Banned
            • Mar 2007
            • 24688

            #20
            This potential laying down of some sort of Paddington Bear tribute event horizon might almost have been planned by DNA. Sorry to be so esoteric but though the sentiment seems apposite enough, the effective abandoning of so many soft toys, made mainly from plastics, is most concerning.

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            • LHC
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              • Jan 2011
              • 1561

              #21
              Originally posted by Bryn View Post
              This potential laying down of some sort of Paddington Bear tribute event horizon might almost have been planned by DNA. Sorry to be so esoteric but though the sentiment seems apposite enough, the effective abandoning of so many soft toys, made mainly from plastics, is most concerning.
              I believe the Royal Parks have specifically asked for people not to leave Paddington bears (or indeed marmalade sandwiches) and to remove any plastic wrapping from flowers they leave in the parks. There have also been suggestions that people instead make a donation to one of the charities supported by the Queen.
              "I do not approve of anything that tampers with natural ignorance. Ignorance is like a delicate exotic fruit; touch it and the bloom is gone. The whole theory of modern education is radically unsound. Fortunately in England, at any rate, education produces no effect whatsoever. If it did, it would prove a serious danger to the upper classes, and probably lead to acts of violence in Grosvenor Square."
              Lady Bracknell The importance of Being Earnest

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              • Bryn
                Banned
                • Mar 2007
                • 24688

                #22
                Watching now, I must say the choreography is very much more to my taste than that based on the Stechschritt. The powers that be, here, do make a rather better job of humanising such events than many do those of other countries, whatever one thinks of the whole response to the inevitable event of Elizabeth Windsor's passing.

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                • smittims
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                  • Aug 2022
                  • 4332

                  #23
                  Making a donation to a charity is of course more sensible, but it doesn't satisfy the 'I was part of this media event' urge, which (sorry to sound misanthropic) is, I suggest, a strong motive behind this sort of thing. I blame the 'celeb ' culture which has taken in so many.

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                  • Serial_Apologist
                    Full Member
                    • Dec 2010
                    • 37814

                    #24
                    One thing to come out of all this broadcasting must be that in future, anyone asked on TV to back up inference and assertion with evidence will be in an unassailable position to turn round and say, "Well nobody asked for it when it was being claimed at the BBC that the whole nation was in mourning". Belief in unsubstantiated claims made by the likes of Johnson and Trump could be said to have paved the way for this.

                    The other thing that comes most clearly to mind is the re-introduction of uninterrupted question and answer between presenters and guests - a good thing one might think, plain courtesy being something some of us have been calling for for a long time. One suspects, however, that this is because when what has already been said a thousand times and more is going to be said again because we've all run out of things to say.

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                    • DracoM
                      Host
                      • Mar 2007
                      • 12986

                      #25

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                      • oddoneout
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                        • Nov 2015
                        • 9273

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Maclintick View Post
                        Osmiroid were a boon to us lefties in the olden days....

                        Did they provide one of those for Prince William when he did his signing, as it would appear he is left handed. He uses the"hook" approach as did my LH sibling ie hand over the top of the writing line, but my daughter writes upright - as a right hander would but with the pen in the left hand.

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                        • Frances_iom
                          Full Member
                          • Mar 2007
                          • 2415

                          #27
                          The last few days + the prospect of more to come, have brought home to me the advantages of certain religious traditions of burying their dead within 24hrs.

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                          • cat
                            Full Member
                            • May 2019
                            • 401

                            #28
                            Excellent psalm singing from the combined choirs when the coffin arrived in Westminster Hall followed by a few short words from the AoC. The psalm, its tune, and the shortness of the speaking being specified in advance by the late Queen. Very happy I tuned in at the right moment to watch it.

                            If her judicious reach extends in a similar fashion to the events on Monday I shall be most pleased.

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                            • Petrushka
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 12309

                              #29
                              Originally posted by cat View Post
                              Excellent psalm singing from the combined choirs when the coffin arrived in Westminster Hall followed by a few short words from the AoC. The psalm, its tune, and the shortness of the speaking being specified in advance by the late Queen. Very happy I tuned in at the right moment to watch it.

                              If her judicious reach extends in a similar fashion to the events on Monday I shall be most pleased.
                              Can you say which psalm it was please? Also the anthem following? I was watching on the Red Button channel 601 without commentary and wasn't paying proper attention until too late.
                              "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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                              • french frank
                                Administrator/Moderator
                                • Feb 2007
                                • 30456

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Petrushka View Post
                                Can you say which psalm it was please? Also the anthem following? I was watching on the Red Button channel 601 without commentary and wasn't paying proper attention until too late.
                                New York Times says it was Psalm 139. Don't know about anthem.
                                It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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