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  • ardcarp
    Late member
    • Nov 2010
    • 11102

    Cassette Players

    Listening to this morning's BAL, I happened to mention that the Schubert Quintet was one of my A-level set works. For some reason Mrs A and I began a reminiscence upon how we listened to music in the Stone Age, and realised to our dismay that cassette players were not around in our schooldays. In the 70s cassettes enjoyed a massive popularity, but a relatively short one until superseded by the CD. In fact they persisted far longer in car dash-boards, because CD-players used to 'jump tracks' until a solution was found.

    There's quite an extensive and technically interesting Wiki article about the rise and fall of cassette tapes. Extraordinary to remember that early answer-phones used to work via them...and even more extraordinary that, relatively recently, the OED dropped 'cassette player' from its lexicon.

  • french frank
    Administrator/Moderator
    • Feb 2007
    • 30652

    #2
    Originally posted by ardcarp View Post
    and even more extraordinary that, relatively recently, the OED dropped 'cassette player' from its lexicon.
    Does the OED ever 'drop' words or expressions? As a compound it's still in the online OED (article updated Sept 2021). Latest example for any use of 'cassette' in this sense is 1984.
    It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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    • Old Grumpy
      Full Member
      • Jan 2011
      • 3680

      #3
      Allegedly cassette tapes are back in (https://www.gearpatrol.com/tech/a363...layer-revival/), or at least they were last year...
      ...all the Google references seem to be 2021.

      Maybe hipsters have realised cassettes are not quite so good after all!

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      • Bryn
        Banned
        • Mar 2007
        • 24688

        #4
        Originally posted by Old Grumpy View Post
        Allegedly cassette tapes are back in (https://www.gearpatrol.com/tech/a363...layer-revival/), or at least they were last year...
        ...all the Google references seem to be 2021.

        Maybe hipsters have realised cassettes are not quite so good after all!
        For their time (i.e. not now) they were pretty good. I have a good many recordings I have transferred from cassette to one or another digital medium, partly in order to preserve the cassettes themselves by restricting their playback (though remembering to fast forward and reverse them every now and then). I have contemporary Dolby S cassette and DAT recordings of the same material, and the Dolby S cassettes were far more reliable. Hard disc, then solid-state storage of digital recordings have, of course, transformed music storage. Just think how much lossless high-resolution audio you can get on a handy 512 GB USB memory stick.

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        • Frances_iom
          Full Member
          • Mar 2007
          • 2421

          #5
          Originally posted by Bryn View Post
          For their time (i.e. not now) they were pretty good. ...
          somewhere in my attic (I think) is my nagamichi? cassette deck - top of the line in the 80s
          - also somewhere is one of the early Walkmans - the better one for field recordings was a Sony with Vu meters etc.

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          • cloughie
            Full Member
            • Dec 2011
            • 22239

            #6
            Originally posted by Frances_iom View Post
            somewhere in my attic (I think) is my nagamichi? cassette deck - top of the line in the 80s
            - also somewhere is one of the early Walkmans - the better one for field recordings was a Sony with Vu meters etc.
            Close - it was Nakamichi - I had a Neal which were also very good - the trouble with cassette decks were they well used and suffered from head wear - either the heads or the machines neede regular replacement.

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            • Dave2002
              Full Member
              • Dec 2010
              • 18061

              #7
              I have had cassette decks which sounded almost indistinguishable from CDs - and I don't mean low quality ones either. However those only really worked with good tapes, and swapping tapes between machines was not generally a good thing to do.
              Pre-recorded tapes were nearly always abysmally poor.

              I think the attraction for many people was the possibility to make up mix tapes of favourites, and swap those with friends. It was almost certainly illegal, but many of the young people (and some older ones) who did that probably didn't care.

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              • cloughie
                Full Member
                • Dec 2011
                • 22239

                #8
                Originally posted by Dave2002 View Post
                I have had cassette decks which sounded almost indistinguishable from CDs - and I don't mean low quality ones either. However those only really worked with good tapes, and swapping tapes between machines was not generally a good thing to do.
                Pre-recorded tapes were nearly always abysmally poor.

                I think the attraction for many people was the possibility to make up mix tapes of favourites, and swap those with friends. It was almost certainly illegal, but many of the young people (and some older ones) who did that probably didn't care.
                Indeed they were and EMI were worse than most!

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                • Old Grumpy
                  Full Member
                  • Jan 2011
                  • 3680

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Dave2002 View Post

                  I think the attraction for many people was the possibility to make up mix tapes of favourites, and swap those with friends. It was almost certainly illegal, but many of the young people (and some older ones) who did that probably didn't care.
                  Indeed...

                  ...even Radio 3 has mixtapes now!
                  Last edited by Old Grumpy; 13-03-22, 12:12. Reason: Correction of autocorrection!

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                  • pastoralguy
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 7870

                    #10
                    My father brought a very early model home from Tokyo in the 70’s. At the time, it seemed like a thing of wonder but cd really showed up up cassette’s shortcomings.

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                    • ardcarp
                      Late member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 11102

                      #11
                      Originally posted by french frank View Post
                      Does the OED ever 'drop' words or expressions? As a compound it's still in the online OED (article updated Sept 2021). Latest example for any use of 'cassette' in this sense is 1984.
                      I probably skimmed the Wiki article, and forgot the 'Concise' bit, but the following is quoted:

                      In 2011, the Oxford English Dictionary removed the word "cassette player" from its 12th edition Concise version.[50] Some media sources mistakenly claimed that the term "cassette tape" was being removed.

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                      • oddoneout
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2015
                        • 9416

                        #12
                        Something I found useful with cassettes was being able to use the counter to pinpoint exact parts of the recording when I was either learning new choir pieces or doing language classes. When CDs came on the scene they were all well and good for listening to complete sections of works but very tiresome and time consuming for those few tricky bars...
                        I still have the small cassette player that was used as much for the children's computer games as for my choir practice, I wonder if it still works. I know it lost the rewind function many years ago which was a bit of a faff.

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                        • muzzer
                          Full Member
                          • Nov 2013
                          • 1196

                          #13
                          I did some very rudimentary splicing as I recall. You had to have a pretty high end deck to avoid bad hiss or compression, and I didn’t mourn their passing. But yes, ‘the kids’ have rediscovered them, in my opinion more as another artifact to collect than as a serious medium. Because of course, everything is back and ready for purchase. Are 8 track cartridges next? They really were niche ;)

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                          • muzzer
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2013
                            • 1196

                            #14
                            Originally posted by oddoneout View Post
                            Something I found useful with cassettes was being able to use the counter to pinpoint exact parts of the recording when I was either learning new choir pieces or doing language classes. When CDs came on the scene they were all well and good for listening to complete sections of works but very tiresome and time consuming for those few tricky bars...
                            I still have the small cassette player that was used as much for the children's computer games as for my choir practice, I wonder if it still works. I know it lost the rewind function many years ago which was a bit of a faff.
                            I had the facility on at least 2 CD players to isolate a passage and repeat it - just what is needed for learning purposes. Can’t do that with my latest streamer, or if it does it’s impossible to find out how. But the app transcribe can slow stuff down whilst retaining pitch, which is great for learning. But means you need a laptop to hand…..

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                            • Keraulophone
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 1994

                              #15
                              Originally posted by muzzer View Post
                              They really were niche ;)
                              Even more niche was the Digital Compact Cassette (DCC) b.1992 but d.1996.
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