Clapton slammed for supporting anti-vaxxers

[Serial_Apologist]

http://www.newsweek.com/joy-reid-slams-eric-clapton-donating-anti-vax-group-what-he-has-said-vaccines-1638206#sideshow/1911893

[cloughie]

http://www.newsweek.com/joy-reid-sla...deshow/1911893

EC as a guitarist is pretty good and I like a lot of his recordings but over his lifetime has probably made lifestyle decisions which were questionable and almost certainly flawed. It appears that these haven’t improved in later life. Of course he’s free to do what he wishes with his money which he’s probably not short of, but maybe, just maybe, he’s been more than a little irresponsible.

[gradus]

How I see it too.

[teamsaint]

How I see it is that , whatever else one thinks about ECs views, his stand on domestic vaccine passports is correct.

Todays’s issue is a crash in the system . No real surprise there. The practical problems alone should be enough to see these abominations binned .

They have absolutely no basis in science, and no demonstrable public health benefit.Two parliamentary committees found that they had no justification. They are discriminatory. They carry very significant dangers in terms of the relationship between the individual and the state . They are an absolute disaster waiting to happen,( well happening here and now in fact ) and they will be a truly terrible legacy to hand to future generations.
We should resist them every inch of the way, because we may have to look those future generations in the eye one day, and explain ourselves.

[cloughie]

How I see it is that , whatever else one thinks about ECs views, his stand on domestic vaccine passports is correct.

Todays’s issue is a crash in the system . No real surprise there. The practical problems alone should be enough to see these abominations binned .

They have absolutely no basis in science, and no demonstrable public health benefit.Two parliamentary committees found that they had no justification. They are discriminatory. They carry very significant dangers in terms of the relationship between the individual and the state . They are an absolute disaster waiting to happen,( well happening here and now in fact ) and they will be a truly terrible legacy to hand to future generations.
We should resist them every inch of the way, because we may have to look those future generations in the eye one day, and explain ourselves.

I think that there is a big difference between anti Vaccine Passports and supporting anti Vaxxers.

[teamsaint]

I think that there is a big difference between anti Vaccine Passports and supporting anti Vaxxers.

I agree. That was part of the point I was making, or trying to make.

I unequivocally support his anti VP stance.

I'm not clear what his stance on vaccines in general is. But in any case the term " anti Vaxxer " is far too often applied to people who are not , in fact, anti vaccine.

[Cockney Sparrow]

I've not noticed any reference to nutritional status providing an adequate defence against Covid 19 - does anyone know, is that a thing for SARS?

I'd be quite interested as I have regular blood tests for my nutritional status, and take the supplements. Compared to the price of a shot of the Pfizer / Moderna vaccines, I should think a blood test for the vitamin status would be a cheaper and less resource-intensive way of cutting down the need to vaccinate. Has anyone come across mention that this might be a viable option?

Just wondering, as I'll get offered a booster before long, and have had my flu vaccine (and am wondering about a Shingles vaccination). I'm not going to mass sporting events, nightclubs nor am I interested in foreign travel for the foreseeable future so I won't be needing a passport I think........

[french frank]

I've not noticed any reference to nutritional status providing an adequate defence against Covid 19 - does anyone know, is that a thing for SARS?

This from the Zoe team. Tim Spector's main interest was diet and nutrition before the app was adapted for its current use. Nevertheless, I think it reasonable to term as an 'antivaxxer' anyone who treats diet as an adequate alternative to getting vaccinated.

[teamsaint]

This from the Zoe team. Tim Spector's main interest was diet and nutrition before the app was adapted for its current use. Nevertheless, I think it reasonable to term as an 'antivaxxer' anyone who treats diet as an adequate alternative to getting vaccinated.

I would agree ( although the term has become toxic IMO) if this is the case for all vaccines. But in the case of covid for example, it is very clear that for many individuals that the benefits of the vaccine are marginal at best, and I don't think that the term is reasonably applied to them if they are open to taking, or have had other vaccines

[Bryn]

. . . those, like myself, who have more than adequate daily intake of vitamins C, D & zinc so as to preclude any life-threatening events from a SARS virus.

And your peer-reviewed evidence for this claim is? I am, I should add, well aware of the contribution to potential protection offered by Vitamin D. That claimed for Vitamin C has been shown to be illusory. Zinc may help to ward against the common cold.

[Triforium]

But in the case of covid for example, it is very clear that for many individuals that the benefits of the vaccine are marginal at best,

I was trying to explain this to a grieving relative at the hospital the other day, but didn't get very far. I think it's all about jabs. People don't want jabs. if the vaccine came in pill form, would there still be the same number of anti vaxxers? People certainly take useless supplements all the time without thinking about what they are ingesting..

[Petrushka]

I was trying to explain this to a grieving relative at the hospital the other day, but didn't get very far. I think it's all about jabs. People don't want jabs. if the vaccine came in pill form, would there still be the same number of anti vaxxers? People certainly take useless supplements all the time without thinking about what they are ingesting..

I've been saying all along that the very word 'jab' has an unfortunate aggressive ring to it which might be enough to unsettle some and I can never remember it being used in the past in this context, the slightly less emotive 'injection' being used instead. I think that work is being done to produce the vaccine in pill form.

[french frank]

I would agree ( although the term has become toxic IMO) if this is the case for all vaccines. But in the case of covid for example, it is very clear that for many individuals that the benefits of the vaccine are marginal at best, and I don't think that the term is reasonably applied to them if they are open to taking, or have had other vaccines

It has become toxic because it's associated with all the anti-lockdown, anti-masks anti anything being imposed upon people who don't see any reason for them, or don't accept that anything should be imposed on anyone against their wishes, particularly by the government (any government, I would add!). The difficulty comes because accepting 'for many individuals that the benefits of the vaccine are marginal at best' I cannot see that the individuals are the best placed to judge in their own case, so their fallback is inclination. And as for masks, some people are still seeing these precautions solely in terms of the benefits to themselves (I'm taking an adequate amount of dietary/nutritional supplements to protect ME from serious illness). Preliminary 'credible' research suggests that those vaccinated are less likely to transmit the disease to others.

[gurnemanz]

"Jab" is an example of the punchy one-syllable words loved by the tabloids (but not only) for banner headlines. "Slam" (ie "criticise" in this thread title is another one. Some others:
woe = sadness, suffering
axe = dismiss, cancel
clash = disagreement
hail= welcome, acclaim
hit = affect badly
snub = reject(ion)

etc

[bluestateprommer]

I think that there is a big difference between anti Vaccine Passports and supporting anti Vaxxers.

Drilling down one article level further, the Newsweek article cites a Rolling Stone article on Clapton and his anti-vaccine stances:

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/eric-clapton-vaccine-lockdown-racist-comments-1239027/

The Rolling Stone article does not mention anything about vaccine passports, not even once. It's all about Clapton's stance on vaccines (and the effect on his livelihood, so more than a bit of self-interest there). Clapton has clearly and unfortunately thrown his weight behind anti-vax lunatics like Texas Governor Greg Abbott, who even wants to ban private corporations from implementing vaccine mandates within their own organizations. Clapton is on the wrong side of science on this one. Doesn't affect his musical achievements, but being a great guitarist does not give him license to speak about other subjects where he is not well informed. And anyone like Michael Knowles (cited in the article) who seriously ranks Clapton over Anthony Fauci as an authority on COVID and infectious diseases is, to put it very politely, an imbecile.