Afghan music ban?

[oddoneout]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/05/afghan-musicians-silently-await-their-fate-as-talibans-ban-looms

I read an earlier article about this and thought how awful to be facing that possibility. It's bad enough to have music creation and performance controlled by the state but to have none at all...
The difficulties of musicians in this country, faced with covid and Brexit on top of long-running lack of support for the arts, are bad but at least there is still reason to try and overcome them.

[richardfinegold]

A world without music is a world without joy

[eighthobstruction]

A world without music is a world without joy

....Well Richard, De santos and Greg Abbott may yet do this....Gosar has never even heard music I believe....

[pastoralguy]

I don’t think the taliban are too keen on cinema either…

[Dave2002]

I don’t think the taliban are too keen on cinema either…

Apart from killing people, what are they keen on?

Perhaps the killings are/were just a means to an end, but what is that? Do they have any serious and long term goals which might be considered worthwhile?

Do they have a culture which is worth preserving (in their opinion) or do they have views of a trajectory for progress? If so, what?

[eighthobstruction]

....whatever it was it would be strict tempo....

[Serial_Apologist]

Apart from killing people, what are they keen on?

Perhaps the killings are/were just a means to an end, but what is that? Do they have any serious and long term goals which might be considered worthwhile?

Do they have a culture which is worth preserving (in their opinion) or do they have views of a trajectory for progress? If so, what?

One thing which distinguishes the new radical Islamic movements from previous terrorist campaigns is their objective of making "the next world" the locus of change, to their warped minds for the better. In this they are not that different from many a fundamentalist religious standpoint, apart from their means of disposal. This is what makes them so much more dangerous and unlikely ever to be obliterated than the movements, however misguided they might have been, that were directed to bringing about historical change - in which one was prepared for self-sacrifice in hope of a better hereafter for one's fellow beings - here, on this earth.

[richardfinegold]

....Well Richard, De santos and Greg Abbott may yet do this....Gosar has never even heard music I believe....

Get real

[eighthobstruction]

Get real

....Oh I'm very real Richard....very real....what I write isn't always real....but you are not interested ....so, ok....

[ahinton]

There have from time to time been similar issues in post-revolutionary Iran...

[Frances_iom]

There have from time to time been similar issues in post-revolutionary Iran...

it's always remarkable what people believe can please their god(s) without a shred of evidence - at least the burnt offerings had 'of their own volition' to rise to the heavens where somewhere in outer space the deity resides. But then a god who decrees feminine fashions, has apparently no taste for visual or musical offerings and can conjure virgins at will to reward male followers seems somewhat weird and possibly dislikes half of their supposed creation.

[Dave2002]

One thing which distinguishes the new radical Islamic movements from previous terrorist campaigns is their objective of making "the next world" the locus of change, to their warped minds for the better. In this they are not that different from many a fundamentalist religious standpoint, apart from their means of disposal. This is what makes them so much more dangerous and unlikely ever to be obliterated than the movements, however misguided they might have been, that were directed to bringing about historical change - in which one was prepared for self-sacrifice in hope of a better hereafter for one's fellow beings - here, on this earth.

It's easier for someone to claim beliefs and promulgate those beliefs in order to get others to do the sacrifices than to do them oneself.

I am very sceptical that many of those who may claim such beliefs have such strong conviction. It may be that some of those involved in the recent conflicts were expecting or hoping for changes in the here and now - and the future, rather than in a somewhat uncertain afterlife. What is now up for discussion and action is exactly (or even vaguely) what kind of progress those people want.

[french frank]

It's easier for someone to claim beliefs and promulgate those beliefs in order to get others to do the sacrifices than to do them oneself.

I am very sceptical that many of those who may claim such beliefs have such strong conviction..

Me too. I'm not sure how much is simply about exerting control. Feed them up with any old rubbish as long as they'll do what advances our cause.

[Frances_iom]

IMO religion is for the convenience of the rulers, connivance of the wise and control of the masses. Catch is that early education and control can inbed the desired self control such that coercive control is no longer required - hence the attraction of educating young males to accept such nonsense and especially to deny education to females who otherwise might educate their children.

[ahinton]

IMO religion is for the convenience of the rulers, connivance of the wise and control of the masses. Catch is that early education and control can inbed the desired self control such that coercive control is no longer required - hence the attraction of educating young males to accept such nonsense and especially to deny education to females who otherwise might educate their children.

I do not believe that this is the case in every instance but there can be no denying that there's a lot of it about!