Royal Holloway threatened with 25% music provision cut.

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  • Bryn
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    • Mar 2007
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    Royal Holloway threatened with 25% music provision cut.

    The Department of Music at Royal Holloway, University of London is one of the most respected music departments in the UK: ranked 3rd in the UK for the quality of our publications in the 2014 Research Excellence Framework; hosting the only Regius Professorship in Music, awarded by HM the Queen in 2014 in recognition of our department’s distinction in research and teaching; and ranked 6th in the UK for Music in the 2022 Complete University Guide. Recognition for our current research is shown by grants awarded from UK research councils totalling almost £1.4 million since September 2020.
    However, as part of a College-wide initiative in ‘Academic Realignment’, we have been informed of proposals to severely cut our staffing and research provisions. We believe these proposals to be based on seriously flawed estimates, conducted at an internal College level, rather than seeking expert knowledge from across the sector. The proposed ‘realignment’ stems from a forecasted loss of college overall income across the next ten years, despite no evidence offered for this (and a healthy financial situation at present). The Music Department is targeted for two reasons: 1) that our staff-student ratio is claimed to be low compared to sector averages, and 2) that our Music curriculum should be more ‘integrated’ and ‘broader’. From this position, management has put forward proposals amounting to losing 2.5 fte positions, most likely at a professorial level, as well as removing research from a 0.5 fte composition post, and a further loss of 1.0 fte in instrumental and vocal teaching. This amounts to a loss of almost 25% of our staff. . . .
    from https://www.facebook.com/njdearden
  • Eine Alpensinfonie
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    • Nov 2010
    • 20576

    #2
    But you can guarantee the expectation will be a maintenance of current results, as a bare minimum.

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    • teamsaint
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      • Nov 2010
      • 25235

      #3
      A bit of anecdotal stuff.
      I took my daughter to RH music dept for an open day about 10 years ago. I was really impressed with the vision that they seemed to have for how their students would use their learning and qualification in life beyond university, and also how they could tailor their teaching to the talents and needs of each student. Could have been all talk I guess, but it was impressive. It seemed to be quite a small dept, and of course the chapel choir has considerable status both inside and outside the Uni.

      I wonder if the status of the choir, and the nature of what it does, whilst being probably the university's most visible face, may be something of a negative in terms of internal University politics ? departmental rivalry, envy etc ? Just a thought.
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      • french frank
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        • Feb 2007
        • 30530

        #4
        Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
        I wonder if the status of the choir, and the nature of what it does, whilst being probably the university's most visible face, may be something of a negative in terms of internal University politics ? departmental rivalry, envy etc ? Just a thought.
        It does seem (for once) to be an internal matter, a management decision, rather than some change in government policy/funding?
        It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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        • Bryn
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          • Mar 2007
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          #5
          Originally posted by french frank View Post
          It does seem (for once) to be an internal matter, a management decision, rather than some change in government policy/funding?
          You really think the current government's disdain for arts education has no influence on this proposal?

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          • oddoneout
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            • Nov 2015
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            #6
            Originally posted by french frank View Post
            It does seem (for once) to be an internal matter, a management decision, rather than some change in government policy/funding?
            I think this might have had something to do with the considerations? https://www.theguardian.com/educatio...overnment-told or if preferred https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-57006961

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            • Richard Barrett
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              • Jan 2016
              • 6259

              #7
              Originally posted by french frank View Post
              It does seem (for once) to be an internal matter, a management decision, rather than some change in government policy/funding?
              A management decision in the light of a change in government policy/funding, yes. I think we can expect to see other institutions doing the same thing in the near future.

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              • french frank
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                • Feb 2007
                • 30530

                #8
                Originally posted by Bryn View Post
                You really think the current government's disdain for arts education has no influence on this proposal?
                It may indeed have had some/a great deal of influence, but Royal Holloway is more than the music department so one needs to know whether the 25% cuts go right across the board or not. What you quoted (and what I was commenting on) referred only to a "College-wide intitiative' and management decisions. We all know about government policies.
                It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                • Eine Alpensinfonie
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                  • Nov 2010
                  • 20576

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Bryn View Post
                  You really think the current government's disdain for arts education has no influence on this proposal?
                  I'm sure it has. Education in the last 11 years has been more of less reduced to the 3Rs for the masses and a little bit of icing on the cake for those who can afford it.

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                  • ardcarp
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                    • Nov 2010
                    • 11102

                    #10
                    Whose fault it is at Royal Holloway hardly seems to be of any consequence. We are becoming (have become?) a Philistine nation.

                    Education in the last 11 years has been more of less reduced to the 3Rs for the masses and a little bit of icing on the cake for those who can afford it.
                    A major news topic today was how badly working-class white male kids are doing at school. Nobody seems to realise that the almost total absence of music and drama in the curriculum has anything to do with it.

                    BTW does anyone feel like starting a petition about Royal Holloway? I would if I knew how to do it.

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                    • Jonathan
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                      • Mar 2007
                      • 953

                      #11
                      Well said Ardcarp!

                      Totally off topic, I went to 6th form college not far from RH (and Bedford New College, as it was then) and we visited several times to view the facilities. It always seemed like a nice place although, at the time, I knew nothing of it's musical department.
                      Best regards,
                      Jonathan

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                      • Joseph K
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                        • Oct 2017
                        • 7765

                        #12
                        Originally posted by ardcarp View Post
                        A major news topic today was how badly working-class white male kids are doing at school. Nobody seems to realise that the almost total absence of music and drama in the curriculum has anything to do with it.
                        Nobody seems to realise that it might have something to do with the billions in funding for education cut over the past decade. Things I myself had the fortune to be in receipt of like EMA.

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                        • Richard Barrett
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                          • Jan 2016
                          • 6259

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Joseph K View Post
                          Nobody seems to realise that it might have something to do with the billions in funding for education cut over the past decade.
                          Quite.

                          Though when I first saw this thread I misread the title as "Robin Holloway" and thought "at last!"... good thing I didn't post that.

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                          • french frank
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                            • Feb 2007
                            • 30530

                            #14
                            Originally posted by ardcarp View Post
                            BTW does anyone feel like starting a petition about Royal Holloway? I would if I knew how to do it.
                            The Facebook article quotes music staff as urging people to write to senior management at the university:

                            "NEXT STEPS

                            We, the academic staff in the Music Department, condemn the proposals in the strongest possible terms, and we call on sympathetic parties to write to our senior management to share their concerns:

                            Ken Badcock ken.badcock@rhul.ac.uk Senior Vice-Principal (Academic Strategy and Research)
                            James Knowles james.knowles@rhul.ac.uk Senior Vice-Principal (Education) and Deputy Principal (Academic)
                            Paul Layzell paul.layzell@rhul.ac.uk - Principal "

                            It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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