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[Leinster Lass]

"Available for re-homing
Tom, neutered
Colour ton neutre
Would suit Kelly Hoppen afficionados"

'ton neutre' is an anagram of 'entourent'* - rather apt, as I seem to be surrounded by people cleverer than me!
(* No - I didn't need to google that )

[Ein Heldenleben]

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... but I do wish this Forum had a rule forbidding ambiguous or not-previously-explained abbreviations/ acronyms. Is EA Alkers or Alpie? RFG richardfinegold or rathfarnhamgirl (who may have transmogrified to a Leinster incarnation... ).

Yes, google can often guide one to a solution to some abbreviations / acronyms. But sometimes not unambiguously...

https://www.nameslook.com/wayltn/

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Do you think it’s acceptable to abbreviate where for example everyone in a strand on Richard Wagner has been talking about Friedrich Nietzsche posters then start referring to FN ? Or is that an unfortunate way of discriminating against late joiners ? Does any one recall Cameron thinking LOL meant lots of love and the Twitter sphere laughing at him ? To be honest I rather admire him for it . It’s not “real “ knowledge is it ?

[Richard Barrett]

Do you think it’s acceptable to abbreviate where for example everyone in a strand on Richard Wagner has been talking about Friedrich Nietzsche posters then start referring to FN ? Or is that an unfortunate way of discriminating against late joiners ?

But if anyone's unsure they only need ask, or read through the thread, is that so very onerous? It takes a certain amount of initiative to nurture an interest in classical music, which obviously we all have here, so what's this sudden emphasis on the idea that everything should be accessible to people unwilling to think for themselves?

[cloughie]

But if anyone's unsure they only need ask, or read through the thread, is that so very onerous? It takes a certain amount of initiative to nurture an interest in classical music, which obviously we all have here, so what's this sudden emphasis on the idea that everything should be accessible to people unwilling to think for themselves?

Following the example set by Radio 3!

[Richard Barrett]

Following the example set by Radio 3!

[Frances_iom]

.. so what's this sudden emphasis on the idea that everything should be accessible to people unwilling to think for themselves?

I understand the new politics of the current Westminster Government were based on the premise that "Elites" or "Experts" were to be seen as the enemies of the people - certainly until in last few weeks when then have been forced to admit a few academics into their deliberations they seem to have adopted the rule quite widely, after all a PPP degree sets them up as obviously better equipped to handle any technical issue.

[Leinster Lass]

But if anyone's unsure they only need ask, or read through the thread, is that so very onerous? It takes a certain amount of initiative to nurture an interest in classical music, which obviously we all have here, so what's this sudden emphasis on the idea that everything should be accessible to people unwilling to think for themselves?

Ouch -that's me characterized, then.
(You sure know how to charm a girl, don't you?)

[vinteuil]

... after all a PPP degree sets them up as obviously better equipped to handle any technical issue.

... perhaps in the current context the old Psychology, Philosophy, and Physiology (PPP) degree would be more useful than the Politics, Philosophy, and Economics (PPE) one so prevalent among MPs

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[Leinster Lass]

Correction to #28!
The corect title of the inspecter morse episode to which i refurred is 'the way through the woods'
profuse apologys- clearly, i should have goggled it!!

[Serial_Apologist]

Ouch -that's me characterized, then.
(You sure know how to charm a girl, don't you?)

Please, please Leinster Lass - as one who has greatly enjoyed your input into this forum, please re-assure me that all this self-caricaturing on your part is just one big wind-up? Literal-mindedness has not seemed to form any part of your perspective on the various topics you've contributed to, up to this point, and it just doesn't "chime" with the person I would recognise.

[Bryn]

Yes indeed.
Mind you, I had to google “ Duckduckgo.......”

https://www.afr.com/technology/off-y...0210122-p56w5g

Sorry about the paywall but I think the just is in the first paragraph.

[Leinster Lass]

Please, please Leinster Lass - as one who has greatly enjoyed your input into this forum, please re-assure me that all this self-caricaturing on your part is just one big wind-up? Literal-mindedness has not seemed to form any part of your perspective on the various topics you've contributed to, up to this point, and it just doesn't "chime" with the person I would recognise.

Well ... the problem is this:
I don't mind being told what to do.
I don't particularly enjoy being patronised.
I DEFINITELY draw the line at being insulted.
All I'm trying to do is deploy my admittedly weird sense of humour in an attempt to encourage discussion of a serious point. I REALLY do find some messages and arguments difficult to follow, and messages I've received suggest that I'm not alone in that.
I'm as willing to learn as the next person, but I don't think it should be necessary to repeatedly have to resort to google or Donald Duck or whatever it's called when I suspect that the same point could have been made just as clearly in simpler language. I wouldn't go so far as to suggest that there might be a degree of 'showing off' involved, but obscurity is by definition the enemy of clarity.

[Ein Heldenleben]

Well ... the problem is this:
I don't mind being told what to do.
I don't particularly enjoy being patronised.
I DEFINITELY draw the line at being insulted.
All I'm trying to do is deploy my admittedly weird sense of humour in an attempt to encourage discussion of a serious point. I REALLY do find some messages and arguments difficult to follow, and messages I've received suggest that I'm not alone in that.
I'm as willing to learn as the next person, but I don't think it should be necessary to repeatedly have to resort to google or Donald Duck or whatever it's called when I suspect that the same point could have been made just as clearly in simpler language. I wouldn't go so far as to suggest that there might be a degree of 'showing off' involved, but obscurity is by definition the enemy of clarity.

Yes it probably is showing off. The problem is with words like commodisation* ( the process by which a premium branded good becomes indistinguishable from its competitors as has happened with PC’s for example ) and commodification (the process by which supposedly free things like data , knowledge etc are turned into saleable goods and services) is it takes so long to explain the difference that people rely on either other readers either knowing the meaning or googling it. The problem is that very the relevant wiki entry is often written by academics in a very complex way.
I have to say that the level of vocabulary needed to follow the forum is , with the exception of specialist music terms obvs, way lower than academic prose (some of which is completely unintelligible ) or indeed the prose used in things like the Times Literary Supplement . It is however more demanding than newspapers.

Not a word I ever use cos I can’t spell it ...

[Richard Barrett]

Yes it probably is showing off.

Not you too? I think everyone here tries to express themselves as clearly as possible, even - or especially - when dealing with issues, especially concerning music, that are difficult to put accurately into words. I don't see any deliberate obscurity or "showing off". Some of us put a lot of thought and often some considerable time into making our posts here as clear and precise as we can, and this is the response.

[Joseph K]

Not you too? I think everyone here tries to express themselves as clearly as possible, even - or especially - when dealing with issues, especially concerning music, that are difficult to put accurately into words. I don't see any deliberate obscurity or "showing off". Some of us put a lot of thought and often some considerable time into making our posts here as clear and precise as we can, and this is the response.

... and I for one do not think the use of colourful, unusual and/or technical vocabulary and precision are mutually exclusive - often quite the opposite ...