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[LHC]

I appreciate that for many posters to this forum the loss of work in the EU is a major blow however there is a much bigger loss that will really put the UK in the third world and that is the loss of access to the huge pan European science grants + ease of access between UK + EU based groups - only a bunch of rabid lawyers could think this was a good thing especially, to take one example, as the Turkish-German vaccine is seen as the solution to our current woes.

If you are referring to the Horizon programme, somewhat surprisingly, the UK is going to continue as a member of this programme:

U.K. researchers will remain eligible for European research funding despite the country having left the European Union, thanks to a long-term trade and cooperation agreement struck on 24 December.

The deal was reached after negotiators finally agreed on fishing rights, which had stalled negotiations, and most of its 1246 pages set out the principles of the U.K.-EU relationship from January 2021 onward. But the deal and its accompanying declarations contain key passages about research: in exchange for a contribution to the EU budget, the United Kingdom will join the forthcoming Horizon Europe research program, which will spend €85 billion over the next 7 years.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/12/brexit-deal-secures-uk-access-european-research-funds

[oddoneout]

If you are referring to the Horizon programme, somewhat surprisingly, the UK is going to continue as a member of this programme:

U.K. researchers will remain eligible for European research funding despite the country having left the European Union, thanks to a long-term trade and cooperation agreement struck on 24 December.

The deal was reached after negotiators finally agreed on fishing rights, which had stalled negotiations, and most of its 1246 pages set out the principles of the U.K.-EU relationship from January 2021 onward. But the deal and its accompanying declarations contain key passages about research: in exchange for a contribution to the EU budget, the United Kingdom will join the forthcoming Horizon Europe research program, which will spend €85 billion over the next 7 years.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020...research-funds

There are different routes of engagement with the Horizon programme so no longer being an EU member does not bar the UK. The question was always whether the UK would use what already existed, if on somewhat different terms, or try and set up its own version. Fortunately it looks as if common sense(possibly aided by influential interests such as this https://cms.wellcome.org/sites/defau...zon-europe.pdf) has prevailed for once.

[Dave2002]

There are different routes of engagement with the Horizon programme so no longer being an EU member does not bar the UK. The question was always whether the UK would use what already existed, if on somewhat different terms, or try and set up its own version. Fortunately it looks as if common sense(possibly aided by influential interests such as this https://cms.wellcome.org/sites/defau...zon-europe.pdf) has prevailed for once.

That may be good news, but the last few years have undermined viable working groups, and also trust with potential EU partners. It is likely to take years to recover, which is a great shame.

[Bert]

I've just signed it, hopefully we'll get 100,000 signatures and they'll be forced to discuss it in parliament. This could be just the beginning of a movement that brings about us rejoining ....

[oddoneout]

That may be good news, but the last few years have undermined viable working groups, and also trust with potential EU partners. It is likely to take years to recover, which is a great shame.

That is sadly true in the case of the kind of projects that happen in this part of the world that I read and hear about. However the Horizon projects are not quite the same and with luck might provide a way for some small part of UK science to stay 'in the loop' internationally.
The past four plus years have demonstrated the depths of ignorance of this government not just about the EU but about how the UK works. Concerns that have been expressed over that time about the impact of Brexit( both that already happening and in future) on science based research and development have been ignored or dismissed with generic " it's not a problem and if necessary we'll throw a bit of money at it", missing the point that money is only part of the issue.
Getting back on topic, the administration's dislike of matters cultural is well known and has similarly managed to ignore concerns raised over that same time about the impact of Brexit, so it's no surprise that an apology of a 'back of a fag packet' deal would not bother to address such issues. Heck it doesn't even know that the IT it mentions is a tad out of date...https://www.theguardian.com/politics...exit-deal-text

[Dave2002]

Heck it doesn't even know that the IT it mentions is a tad out of date...https://www.theguardian.com/politics...exit-deal-text

Who wrote the text? Were they people from the UK, or people from the EU or a mixture? Who did/does the proof reading?

This suggests - (shock horror - great surprise ... da da da da ......) a mode of operation in which some high up clueless people have an idea which they think to pass down for detailed implementation work to experts, but sadly the work is passed down to a second (and possibly third layer, fourth tier etc.) who are also clueless, and then the text is fed back up to those who requested the work in the first place. Naturally those people are unable to check whether it makes sense or meets "modern" standards.

In a previous government there was I think one MP who actually appeared to understand detailed communications protocols at a very detailed level, and was capable of writing code, but I think he was very unusual.
I'm not sure if he's still involved.

At least in the case of the Covid issues, administrations in various countries have managed to drill down to levels of competence which it seems are capable of handling - admittedly with considerable difficulty - the problems faced with what will hopefully turn out to be succcess.