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  • jayne lee wilson
    Banned
    • Jul 2011
    • 10711

    Petition against no-deal brexit

    Please join in and sign.....a-s-a-p!!........thanks......

    I've signed the petition calling on MPs to vote to stop a no-deal Brexit. Will you add your name?
  • DracoM
    Host
    • Mar 2007
    • 12993

    #2
    Good idea!

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    • Serial_Apologist
      Full Member
      • Dec 2010
      • 37851

      #3
      Signed but. no disrespect, but if what the French barn operator is right about only a few hours left to decide...

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      • Bryn
        Banned
        • Mar 2007
        • 24688

        #4
        Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
        Signed but. no disrespect, but if what the French barn operator is right about only a few hours left to decide...
        I think it highly likely that if the probable 'no deal' is delivered, the EU will leave the door ajar.

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        • jayne lee wilson
          Banned
          • Jul 2011
          • 10711

          #5
          I'm just at the endpoint of try anything and everything...genuninely worried about costs and supplies.........but I still think BJ wants to grandstand a last minute deal (which the tory press will then triumphalise...)....

          As Bryn implies, such a deal could be done next year, but of course from a far weaker position, probably under much greater pressure from the electorate here...

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          • Pianorak
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 3128

            #6
            Signed - hoping against hope?
            My life, each morning when I dress, is four and twenty hours less. (J Richardson)

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            • Roslynmuse
              Full Member
              • Jun 2011
              • 1252

              #7
              Nothing to lose by signing - but no more hopeful of anything positive coming from it than I was with the numerous petitions (also signed) set up in March 2019...

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              • french frank
                Administrator/Moderator
                • Feb 2007
                • 30507

                #8
                Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
                As Bryn implies, such a deal could be done next year, but of course from a far weaker position, probably under much greater pressure from the electorate here...
                I wonder just how much weaker it would be than now? Once we're out, we don't have to remain on WTO terms - we can negotiate, theoretically, an FTA. Of some sort But it would be back to square one in terms of the time it would take.
                It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                • Dave2002
                  Full Member
                  • Dec 2010
                  • 18045

                  #9
                  The "remaining" hurdles seem specious to me. Fishing - that doesn't cut it - and should be covered by international agreements on the EEZs anyway. As for the "level playing field" that's also complete nonsense. Of course any country should seek to gain an advantage - that's what modern economics is about anyway. It doesn't really matter as long as there's a quid pro quo in different sectors.

                  I don't want to revisit Brexit, though I have been told by a friend that after January I will no longer have the right to go to EU countries for more than 180 days a year. Most of us don't, nor want to, but the selfish views of those who think we can do better without reasonable access to some of the good things possible by EU membership - because they don't need them themselves - just astound me.

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                  • kernelbogey
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 5807

                    #10
                    Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
                    BJ wants to grandstand a last minute deal (which the tory press will then triumphalise...)....
                    Oh yes....

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                    • Serial_Apologist
                      Full Member
                      • Dec 2010
                      • 37851

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Dave2002 View Post
                      The "remaining" hurdles seem specious to me. Fishing - that doesn't cut it - and should be covered by international agreements on the EEZs anyway. As for the "level playing field" that's also complete nonsense. Of course any country should seek to gain an advantage - that's what modern economics is about anyway. It doesn't really matter as long as there's a quid pro quo in different sectors.

                      I don't want to revisit Brexit, though I have been told by a friend that after January I will no longer have the right to go to EU countries for more than 180 days a year. Most of us don't, nor want to, but the selfish views of those who think we can do better without reasonable access to some of the good things possible by EU membership - because they don't need them themselves - just astound me.
                      Well as I've suggested before, a little bit of non-literal face-saving could involve the EU side putting it to the British side that, if they (the British) allow the French and other EU-based fishing industries to fish sustainably alongside their British confrères in British waters, the EU will, with nod and wink, accept such an agreement as founded on British-exercised control.

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                      • DracoM
                        Host
                        • Mar 2007
                        • 12993

                        #12
                        Precisely.

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                        • Serial_Apologist
                          Full Member
                          • Dec 2010
                          • 37851

                          #13
                          Originally posted by DracoM View Post
                          Precisely.
                          And as Dave2002 rightly points out, the only then outstanding obstacle to a deal is the "level playing field".

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                          • french frank
                            Administrator/Moderator
                            • Feb 2007
                            • 30507

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
                            Well as I've suggested before, a little bit of non-literal face-saving could involve the EU side putting it to the British side that, if they (the British) allow the French and other EU-based fishing industries to fish sustainably alongside their British confrères in British waters, the EU will, with nod and wink, accept such an agreement as founded on British-exercised control.
                            I think at the end of the Cod Wars Iceland issued fixed-term licences to allow British ships to fish in Icelandic waters, so I presume they were able to regulate how many licences were issued and prevent overfishing which was also a problem then.

                            And I'm sure the EU could rely on the Brits to keep to their undertakings if they regulated the licences, and not unilaterally change the rules ….
                            It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                            • Serial_Apologist
                              Full Member
                              • Dec 2010
                              • 37851

                              #15
                              Originally posted by french frank View Post
                              I think at the end of the Cod Wars Iceland issued fixed-term licences to allow British ships to fish in Icelandic waters, so I presume they were able to regulate how many licences were issued and prevent overfishing which was also a problem then.

                              And I'm sure the EU could rely on the Brits to keep to their undertakings if they regulated the licences, and not unilaterally change the rules ….
                              Indeed, why ever not? Only pigheadedness on either side can stand in the way.

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