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  • richardfinegold
    Full Member
    • Sep 2012
    • 7747

    Vaccines and Other Musings...

    I guess this belongs in one of the the other Coronavirus threads but they have gotten a bit untidy. I started a new position a few weeks ago. The Hospital that I had worked for (in an Outpatient Clinic) the last 3 years was in financial trouble before Covid and with the pandemic being the final coup de gras is slated to close in February. I found a position in another outpatient Clinic with a Health Network that was originally created to serve the needs of Black Males in the sixties but now is what is a Federally Qualified Clinic, meaning that we get guaranteed revenue from the U.S. Government to provide care to the indigent, and it is located about 1000 feet from my last site. Our area of Chicago is more Hispanic than Black, and we are hoping to transfer in the of the Hispanic Patients that I had been seeing the past few years who are now going to be without their long time clinic as my former place closes. There is some irony here in that in my old place, I would attempt to use my Spanish (more like Spanglish) with the Patients (most are bilingual, even if they don't want to admit it initially, and the ones that aren't tend to come with family members to translate), and my patients would good naturedly mock my efforts, although most of the time I could muddle through if a translator was not available. Now, at the new place, my Spanglish is viewed as a great marketing point.
    I had been off work for six weeks between jobs, and it's stunning to see the resurgence in Covid in just that time. I've seen more patients that had thromboembolic complications (blood clots) from Covid in the two weeks since my return than I had put together previously. My new site, unlike my old, does Covid testing and has done 15,000 in the past six weeks alone. People are lined up around the block, no one is enforcing the social distancing in the street, and my number one priority is not learning the new system but trying to stay alive. I wear an N-95 all day, am afraid to remove it to drink water, and it's no exaggeration that at the end of the day I feel faint from dehydration and stress. I can't wait to shower when I come home and have taken to stripping to my underwear on my back porch before I enter the house, leaving my clothes
    in a heap until the next day, and I don't give a damn who sees it (it's dark when I come home, and a cold windy Chicago winter is upon us so no one is hanging outside in their yards). My old place, where I stopped in to visit, went back to 100% virtual medicine, and when I had left we had returned to our norm, with social distancing in the waiting room but otherwise business as usual.
    So on to the vaccine. The Pfizer vaccine has reportedly been shipped to the University of Chicago Hospital, with whom my new employer has a loose affiliation and where my wife has worked her entire career. My wife and I now receive the same work emails and it is a constant source of discussion between us. For both of us it can't be fast enough. I don't handle vaccinations well, coincidentally ever since I was diagnosed with a mild form of Chronic Leukemia around 10 years ago, and now every influenza, shingles , tetanus, hepatitis, whatever shot knocks me on my ass with headache, fever and chills for a day or two, but I would crawl over broken glass in a blizzard to get the Covid Vaccine. Hell, I would take every company that offers one if I could. If Petrushka can have 42 copies of Mahler 1, I can have at least three Covid vaccines, I figure.
    However, this is not the attitude amongst my patients. Most of them, Black or otherwise, think that we are going to be experimenting upon them. The legacy of Tuskeegee is upon us. The tragedy is this is the highest risk population and not only would they benefit from the vaccine but it is important to get them inoculated to eradicate it for everyone. My wife, who works in a Cancer Chemotherapy area with approximately 50 Nurses, reports that most of her younger (40 and under) Colleagues also are skeptical about the vaccine. And studies show that 30% of the American Population doesn't trust vaccines. Thank you, Robert DeNiro, as the cult of celebrity
    triumphs reason every time. This is how a great country gets a freaking Reality Show star as their leader.
    And now we are raging with debates, reminiscent of board games ( you are on a plane with three people and there are only two parachutes...who would you...). Who should get the vaccine first? Should my wife and I get it? Should my 92 year old mum in the Senior Facility get it first?
    What about schoolteachers, who despite the extremely low risk of transmission in a school facility have managed to gut the education of a generation of children-should they be compelled to get it first, so that schools can reopen and parents can return to work?
    Personally I hope that with the sheer number of companies developing vaccines and for the demand present, that there is an ample supply so that these Trivial Pursuit issues don't have to be pursued.
  • french frank
    Administrator/Moderator
    • Feb 2007
    • 30507

    #2
    Don't know quite what to say, rfg, except that over here we find the situation in the US heart-wrenching. Here's wishing you whatever remedy you can manage to get your hands on Best wishes.
    It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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    • Pulcinella
      Host
      • Feb 2014
      • 11111

      #3
      Originally posted by french frank View Post
      Don't know quite what to say, rfg, except that over here we find the situation in the US heart-wrenching. Here's wishing you whatever remedy you can manage to get your hands on Best wishes.
      Seconded, and with great admiration for what you are doing, too.

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      • Bryn
        Banned
        • Mar 2007
        • 24688

        #4
        Reinforces my sense of good fortune in being retired and living solo with good neighbours and a safe environment to walk and shop in. Here's hoping you get access to at least one of the vaccines soon and that any side-effects are minimal. I've had flu and pneumonia vaccinations in the last couple of months and the only, very slight, negative reaction was discomfort at the site of the injection for the pneumonia one. I'll be bubbling with friends from the bus industry and an elderly Bajan couple on the 25th. I must admit I am rather hoping they manage to get their first shots in advance, though it's most likely that only the Bajan couple are in with a chance, due to their age. Those working in the bus industry have, in general, been very poorly protected during the pandemic, here in the UK. Several of my friends' colleagues have succumbed, fatally.

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        • Eine Alpensinfonie
          Host
          • Nov 2010
          • 20575

          #5
          Originally posted by richardfinegold View Post
          What about schoolteachers, who despite the extremely low risk of transmission in a school facility have managed to gut the education of a generation of children-should they be compelled to get it first, so that schools can reopen and parents can return to work?
          There have been conflicting messages about this in the UK. Secondary schools appear to be quite a high risk area, but have not been mentioned as a priority. One of our local comprehensives has a high rate of infections of both pupils and teachers, despite the official message that they are low risk.

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          • gradus
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 5630

            #6
            Another Bravo for you, from the heart. Presumably Biden will attempt to lead the US through Covid unlike the orange moron.

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            • johncorrigan
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 10424

              #7
              My sincere regards to you and all your colleagues, Richard. Thank you for your most illuminating post. I find it sad that the current President of the United States has done nothing to stop this virus...but I am moved by what health, education and other frontline staff and volunteers at all levels across the world have done to try to save and protect lives. Let us hope that 2021 is an improvement on the present twelve months.

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              • richardfinegold
                Full Member
                • Sep 2012
                • 7747

                #8
                Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                There have been conflicting messages about this in the UK. Secondary schools appear to be quite a high risk area, but have not been mentioned as a priority. One of our local comprehensives has a high rate of infections of both pupils and teachers, despite the official message that they are low risk.
                Here the rate of transmission in schools has been vanishingly low. Of course the Public Schools have been greatly curtailed, but the Parochial ones also have not had any demonstrated transmission. The Teachers Unions are the most reliable constituency of the Democratic Party that dominates all local government and they consistently do over the top demonstrations here, such as leaving mannequins in body bags. Their concern is understandable, but studies show that the damage being done to young children is considerable. Thus, the argument that teachers should be high on the vaccine priority list, but I doubt that they would go back to work even if they were first on the vaccine list

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                • kernelbogey
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 5807

                  #9
                  Awestruck by your (first) post Richard... May all go well for you.

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                  • Nick Armstrong
                    Host
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 26575

                    #10
                    Originally posted by kernelbogey View Post
                    Awestruck by your (first) post Richard... May all go well for you.
                    Yes me too. Not sure I’ve ever read a more intense or thought-provoking post on this forum...

                    .

                    Had to look up Tuskeegee though...
                    "...the isle is full of noises,
                    Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                    Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                    Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                    • Maclintick
                      Full Member
                      • Jan 2012
                      • 1084

                      #11
                      Originally posted by kernelbogey View Post
                      Awestruck by your (first) post Richard... May all go well for you.
                      Yes, RFG. Your extraordinary post moved us very much. We owe the life of a family relative to world-class treatment at the Lurie, & are painfully aware that such is not necessarily available to all in the U.S., except for the interventions of such as yourself. Please keep safe

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                      • BBMmk2
                        Late Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 20908

                        #12
                        Over on Facebook, a friend put up, who lives, in the USA, the totals of deaths, in the past few days. More people have died of Covid than the number killed at Pearl Harbor!
                        Don’t cry for me
                        I go where music was born

                        J S Bach 1685-1750

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                        • CGR
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                          • Aug 2016
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                          • richardfinegold
                            Full Member
                            • Sep 2012
                            • 7747

                            #14
                            Originally posted by BBMmk2 View Post
                            Over on Facebook, a friend put up, who lives, in the USA, the totals of deaths, in the past few days. More people have died of Covid than the number killed at Pearl Harbor!
                            I think you mean that more people died in 1 day from Covid than for the entire pandemic. Over 3000 yesterday. I saw patient, a nice Hispanic lady who had been in the Hospital for 2 weeks with Covid, who was crying...3 Family members in the same house died when she became ill...she was already showing some signs of “Survivor Guilt”. Tuesday I had to run to our main clinic site in Hyde Park to pick up a computer. When I came back it was 5 minutes before they were ending the daily Covid testing, and it was a madhouse. They were calling the police on one man who was screaming at them, and several others were standing behind him in the throes of anxiety. It reminded me of a scene from a show about the German Occupation of the Channel Islands, where people were fighting to get on the last boats to carry evacuees.

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                            • eighthobstruction
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 6449

                              #15
                              ....Something I am sure richardfinegold will know much about : Mercy Hospital - Chicago....https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...osure-covid-19
                              bong ching

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