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  • french frank
    Administrator/Moderator
    • Feb 2007
    • 30507

    #91
    Originally posted by rathfarnhamgirl View Post
    Is it possible that the playlist is created in such a way that at everybody listening, or who hap[pens to tune in, will find at least one item to his or her liking and hang around for a while, if only out of mild curiosity?
    It is possible that that is what the strategy is. But a programme that might (or might not) have an item, or even two items, which are to one's liking doesn't seem particularly attractive. And after 30 years of listening to Radio 3's early morning programming, the last 20 years or so have withered my curiosity

    The whole reason that I would like a return to longer pieces than we have now is that I want 20-30 minutes to stay inside the sound world/style of one piece, not constantly to have a change, brutal or less so, every 6 or so minutes. But this is only to repeat why it is that I'm no longer a (regular) listener to the radio. Nick's flagging up of the Víkingur Ólafsson programme tempted me to listen to the first R3 programme for years. It struck me as fresh where most of the rest has become stale, same thing every day, same presenter, same format, just shuffle the snippets about to come up with a slightly different mix. Minimal imagination.
    It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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    • Quarky
      Full Member
      • Dec 2010
      • 2672

      #92
      Originally posted by french frank View Post

      I have three sources for listening: my CDs where I select exactly what I want to listen; the internet, probably YouTube, when there's something I particularly want to hear but don't have on CD; also, usually on the internet, searching for something I've heard about but don't know (the curiosity factor). The serendipitous discovery on Radio 3, certainly live, comes at the cost of listening to a sequence of e.g. Puccini - Keith Jarrett - Handel - Tom Lehrer - Liszt, a mix that I find unpleasant. But it brightens up some people's day
      As far as I am concerned, ff, this is an argument for listening via BBC Sounds. But then nearly all of my "serious" listening is via BBC Sounds. Just choose a programme and one has usually between 1 and 2 hours listening experience. At the end of the programme you might be directed to a similar type - e.g. an earlier episode of Vikingur Olafsson.

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      • french frank
        Administrator/Moderator
        • Feb 2007
        • 30507

        #93
        Originally posted by Quarky View Post
        As far as I am concerned, ff, this is an argument for listening via BBC Sounds. But then nearly all of my "serious" listening is via BBC Sounds. Just choose a programme and one has usually between 1 and 2 hours listening experience. At the end of the programme you might be directed to a similar type - e.g. an earlier episode of Vikingur Olafsson.
        Yes, Quarks, you can pick your programme that way. But faffing about with a slider trying to find one track you'd like to hear, when it only lasts 6 minutes anyway - quicker to find it on YouTube or somewhere. So as most weeks the programmes are all the same, it takes something new and fresh like the Ólafsson programme to tempt me. 59 minutes of interest. That's what I call value! But Cosa Rara è.
        It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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        • cmr_for3
          Full Member
          • Nov 2015
          • 286

          #94
          This for me is a fascinating subject. I came to R3 in my mid 20's (I'm now early 30's) with no classical music knowledge whatsoever (indeed I would still not feel confident in holding a conversation about it. I tried one at work and came to see it was out of my depth!) I have heard old bits of R3 and it does sound very different (looking at Gnome, I wish we had more talks).

          I have said this before in another thread but that R3 was a product of it's (good and bad) just as it is today. The forces which lead to it's current state (decline in educational standard's/depth, an aversion to elitism, technology shortening attention spans etc) are actually wider than the BBC (of whom I am no fan outside of R3, R4, World Service and bits of 5live).

          Having said all of that the upside to modern R3 is Sounds (currently listening to a month old Record Review as I type this). This required about 3 mouse clicks this morning. Even 25 years ago such time shifted listening would have been a very involved process.

          I have a list of R3 programmes I never miss and try to listen to the episodes I think I will not like as it is all an education. I know many find the presenting dumbed down but for me it is useful having that guide which one can't get on overseas stations unless you know the language.

          R3 may not be prefect but we should treasure it!

          I hope for a jazz spin off but that's another story!

          :)
          Last edited by cmr_for3; 26-10-20, 08:40. Reason: typos

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