The future of classical music / arts stations

[teamsaint]

Same here. I listened to Radio 1 in the morning before going to school and to Radio 3 (selected programmes) in the evening. Different stations, different music, different style of presentation. One person's po-faced and stuffy is another person's self-effacing and informative I suppose. Nowadays of course Radio 3 has its own Kenny Everetts, so all is well with the world.

And it's all done in the best possible taste.....

[cloughie]

Same here. I listened to Radio 1 in the morning before going to school and to Radio 3 (selected programmes) in the evening. Different stations, different music, different style of presentation. One person's po-faced and stuffy is another person's self-effacing and informative I suppose. Nowadays of course Radio 3 has its own Kenny Everetts, so all is well with the world.

I must of missed something - which R3 DJ is the KE soundalike?

[french frank]

I must of missed something - which R3 DJ is the KE soundalike?

Katy Derham.

[gurnemanz]

Same here. I listened to Radio 1 in the morning before going to school and to Radio 3 (selected programmes) in the evening. Different stations, different music, different style of presentation. One person's po-faced and stuffy is another person's self-effacing and informative I suppose. Nowadays of course Radio 3 has its own Kenny Everetts, so all is well with the world.

Ouch! ... but doesn't actually apply.

Hans Keller, for one, was "informative" but also opinionated and the opposite of self-effacing. That made him a riveting broadcaster.

The point I was trying (and failing miserably, apparently) to make was that for teenagers like me in the 60s with little background in classical music, our one classical music station did not make an attractive option in making the transition from pop, which was the hugely dominant musical genre. (In 1971 they did get around to bringing in Pied Piper which was excellent but more aimed at children.) I did make that transition and 50 years later (unfashionably amid negativity prevailing on here) am still relishing Radio Three (most of it) more than ever. As far as I remember, very few of my friends made the same journey and most people of my age stuck with rock. There must have been something off-putting about Radio Three at the time for that to be the case. I suspect I was thought of as hopelessly "square". I got a lot from R3 but also from one of our German lecturers who complemented our study of Goethe and Heine poetry by playing us Lieder, which have been a favourite obsession of mine ever since. I bought a mono LP of F-D and Moore doing Die schöne Müllerin. I had no record player and had to creep into the JCR to play it when no one else was there.

Radio One came in when I was 18 and since by then I had become less interested in that kind of music I never listened to it (except John Peel), rejecting its Smashey and Nicey presentational style.

Futile to suggest that any current Radio Three presenter is or should be like Kenny Everett or that I might think that to be desirable. A joke, presumably, above, but I see no reason to attempt to ridicule Katie Derham by suggesting that she might be in any way comparable to the great man. Zany she ain't.

[Richard Barrett]

I see no reason to attempt to ridicule Katie Derham by suggesting that she might be in any way comparable to the great man.

I was thinking more of Tom Service actually

[french frank]

I see no reason to attempt to ridicule Katie Derham by suggesting that she might be in any way comparable to the great man. Zany she ain't.

Quite. Given that few presenters could be LESS like Kenny Everett than Katy Derham, I imagined …

[Edgy 2]

Ouch! ... but doesn't actually apply.

Hans Keller, for one, was "informative" but also opinionated and the opposite of self-effacing. That made him a riveting broadcaster.

The point I was trying (and failing miserably, apparently) to make was that for teenagers like me in the 60s with little background in classical music, our one classical music station did not make an attractive option in making the transition from pop, which was the hugely dominant musical genre. (In 1971 they did get around to bringing in Pied Piper which was excellent but more aimed at children.) I did make that transition and 50 years later (unfashionably amid negativity prevailing on here) am still relishing Radio Three (most of it) more than ever. As far as I remember, very few of my friends made the same journey and most people of my age stuck with rock. There must have been something off-putting about Radio Three at the time for that to be the case. I suspect I was thought of as hopelessly "square". I got a lot from R3 but also from one of our German lecturers who complemented our study of Goethe and Heine poetry by playing us Lieder, which have been a favourite obsession of mine ever since. I bought a mono LP of F-D and Moore doing Die schöne Müllerin. I had no record player and had to creep into the JCR to play it when no one else was there.

Radio One came in when I was 18 and since by then I had become less interested in that kind of music I never listened to it (except John Peel), rejecting its Smashey and Nicey presentational style.

Futile to suggest that any current Radio Three presenter is or should be like Kenny Everett or that I might think that to be desirable. A joke, presumably, above, but I see no reason to attempt to ridicule Katie Derham by suggesting that she might be in any way comparable to the great man. Zany she ain't.

I know I was and it did get to me a bit.
I think there were about 3 of us in the whole school who listened to radio 3 and boy did we get stick,even more so me as I was (still am) into prog rock too
Mind you I wasn't actually in school much but that's another story

[Leinster Lass]

Katy Derham.

So - KD is the new KE? From what I remember, he lacked her self-awareness/importance. Tom Service strikes me more as a combination of Patrick Moore and Captain Mainwaring.

[cloughie]

So - KD is the new KE? From what I remember, he lacked her self-awareness/importance. Tom Service strikes me more as a combination of Patrick Moore and Captain Mainwaring.

I think he’s more like Emperor Rosko!

[antongould]

Ouch! ... but doesn't actually apply.

Hans Keller, for one, was "informative" but also opinionated and the opposite of self-effacing. That made him a riveting broadcaster.

The point I was trying (and failing miserably, apparently) to make was that for teenagers like me in the 60s with little background in classical music, our one classical music station did not make an attractive option in making the transition from pop, which was the hugely dominant musical genre. (In 1971 they did get around to bringing in Pied Piper which was excellent but more aimed at children.) I did make that transition and 50 years later (unfashionably amid negativity prevailing on here) am still relishing Radio Three (most of it) more than ever. As far as I remember, very few of my friends made the same journey and most people of my age stuck with rock. There must have been something off-putting about Radio Three at the time for that to be the case. I suspect I was thought of as hopelessly "square". I got a lot from R3 but also from one of our German lecturers who complemented our study of Goethe and Heine poetry by playing us Lieder, which have been a favourite obsession of mine ever since. I bought a mono LP of F-D and Moore doing Die schöne Müllerin. I had no record player and had to creep into the JCR to play it when no one else was there.

Radio One came in when I was 18 and since by then I had become less interested in that kind of music I never listened to it (except John Peel), rejecting its Smashey and Nicey presentational style.

Futile to suggest that any current Radio Three presenter is or should be like Kenny Everett or that I might think that to be desirable. A joke, presumably, above, but I see no reason to attempt to ridicule Katie Derham by suggesting that she might be in any way comparable to the great man. Zany she ain't.

I very much agree gurnemanz and that was sort of my path to R3 too ....... now I cannot imagine life without it .......

[jayne lee wilson]

Shame Tom Service keeps getting the flak here, when he is so self-evidently and wide-rangingly knowledgable about music of so many styles and genres, and writes and speaks with exceptional clarity, articulation and a gift for enthusiastic communication. I don't share the dislike of his vocal delivery, but even if you do, please give him the credit for those qualities, in many ways an epitome of "old Radio 3" values....

(As for delivery: did you ever hear HC Robbins Landon discoursing breathlessly and unrythmically about Haydn? A challenge well beyond anything TS may offer, but I didn't switch him off...plus ça change etc etc)

Kenny Everett was also a very gifted broadcaster, very funny and original too. I loved him wherever I could hear him from Luxembourg on. There was a nice cameo of him in the recent Queen film Bohemian Rhapsody, insisting on playing the song despite its heavenly length..
...he then played it 14 times in 2 days...

Another early LGBTQI hero too.

As for Hans Keller, there was no-one, absolutely no-one, I looked forward to hearing more. The interval talks or those remarkable lectures on string quartets by Beethoven, Mendelssohn, Schoenberg.... those essays on football or the Anschluss or psychoanalysis......so sharp, witty and insightful.
I often say that "he taught me how to think".... and to some extent how to write.....

[teamsaint]

Shame Tom Service keeps getting the flak here, when he is so self-evidently and wide-rangingly knowledgable about music of so many styles and genres, ....

Nver heard him talk or write about anything other than mainstream classical repertoire, but maybe I have missed something.He’s a brilliant writer.

As for Bohemian Rhapsody.....oh never mind........

[jayne lee wilson]

Nver heard him talk or write about anything other than mainstream classical repertoire, but maybe I have missed something.He’s a brilliant writer.

As for Bohemian Rhapsody.....oh never mind........

Try this......

https://www.theguardian.com/music/tomserviceblog/2012/nov/26/luigi-nono-contemporary-music-guide

[teamsaint]

Try this......
https://www.theguardian.com/music/to...ry-music-guide

Ah, I’d call that mainstream classical. But I guess not everybody would. I thought you might be referring to,oh I don’t know, Rap, or Prog Rock or Psychobilly..........

Edit: sorry, thanks for the link.

[Bryn]

Try this......
https://www.theguardian.com/music/to...ry-music-guide

Many thanks for that. I managed to quite miss it back in 2012.