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  • Historian
    Full Member
    • Aug 2012
    • 660

    #91
    The wicketkeeper debate has been going for a long time hasn't it? Several good 'keepers dropped (or playing limited Tests) over the years because of a perceived lack of batting skill: Bob Taylor (displaced by Knott), Bruce French (other examples I am sure). Often the real problem was the fragility of England's batting: it's not often that a wicket-keeper batsman is going to save you from a brittle top order collapse. That said, Alec Stewart made a fair few runs and became a good keeper. Gilchrist was, in my view, an exception. Perhaps he, and Dhoni, skewed things away from keeping skill. I hear that Pant is not as good a keeper as Saha, but hard to drop him after his last innings. Ultimately, if your keeper drops someone like Kohli who then makes a hundred and fifty, that is going to be very hard to make up.

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    • muzzer
      Full Member
      • Nov 2013
      • 1196

      #92
      Well Foakes will get the chance today to prove he can bat. Diabolical loss of cool by Lawrence, he could have been stumped twice.

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      • cloughie
        Full Member
        • Dec 2011
        • 22243

        #93
        Originally posted by Historian View Post
        The wicketkeeper debate has been going for a long time hasn't it? Several good 'keepers dropped (or playing limited Tests) over the years because of a perceived lack of batting skill: Bob Taylor (displaced by Knott), Bruce French (other examples I am sure). Often the real problem was the fragility of England's batting: it's not often that a wicket-keeper batsman is going to save you from a brittle top order collapse. That said, Alec Stewart made a fair few runs and became a good keeper. Gilchrist was, in my view, an exception. Perhaps he, and Dhoni, skewed things away from keeping skill. I hear that Pant is not as good a keeper as Saha, but hard to drop him after his last innings. Ultimately, if your keeper drops someone like Kohli who then makes a hundred and fifty, that is going to be very hard to make up.
        Jimmy Binks was the best keeper in the land but Jim Parks got the call for his batting. The irony was that Binks was qutie a good bat, but the Yorkshire batting line-up at the time meant he rarely needed to do much with the bat!

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        • antongould
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 8857

          #94
          Originally posted by cloughie View Post
          Jimmy Binks was the best keeper in the land but Jim Parks got the call for his batting. The irony was that Binks was qutie a good bat, but the Yorkshire batting line-up at the time meant he rarely needed to do much with the bat!
          Where and when did Jimmy Binks open for his country ...... with some distinction ....... ??????

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          • cloughie
            Full Member
            • Dec 2011
            • 22243

            #95
            Originally posted by antongould View Post
            Where and when did Jimmy Binks open for his country ...... with some distinction ....... ??????
            I seem to remember he did a tour, possibly in the Indian sub-continent.

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            • antongould
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 8857

              #96
              Originally posted by cloughie View Post
              I seem to remember he did a tour, possibly in the Indian sub-continent.

              India indeed cloughers - Binks made his Test debut in the Second Test against India as wicketkeeper although
              Parks was in the side and in the second innings - a hard slog to save the match - he opened with Brian Bolus and made 55 in 210 minutes .... we got the draw Bapu Nadkarni bowled 10 successive maidens and finished with 14-11-3-0 ..... !!!!!

              26/01/1964 .........

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              • eighthobstruction
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 6474

                #97
                Originally posted by antongould View Post
                India indeed cloughers - Binks made his Test debut in the Second Test against India as wicketkeeper although
                Parks was in the side and in the second innings - a hard slog to save the match - he opened with Brian Bolus and made 55 in 210 minutes .... we got the draw Bapu Nadkarni bowled 10 successive maidens and finished with 14-11-3-0 ..... !!!!!

                26/01/1964 .........
                ....and here is a man who has to ask for suggestions for Fantasy Footbal....yet can quote stat' facts of yore....
                bong ching

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                • antongould
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 8857

                  #98
                  Originally posted by eighthobstruction View Post
                  ....and here is a man who has to ask for suggestions for Fantasy Footbal....yet can quote stat' facts of yore....
                  Can’t quote but can look up .......

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                  • antongould
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 8857

                    #99
                    You want wickets this is the place to be .........

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                    • Ein Heldenleben
                      Full Member
                      • Apr 2014
                      • 7149

                      Originally posted by antongould View Post
                      You want wickets this is the place to be .........
                      I missed three wickets making ( a late ) breakfast . Now I can’t bear to watch.A test match ending in under two days is absolutely ridiculous. They’ve spent millions on the stadium and have a terrible wicket.

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                      • DracoM
                        Host
                        • Mar 2007
                        • 13009

                        Anyone going to ask a few questions about the fitness of this pitch?
                        Either side could just make a few soundings?

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                        • Ein Heldenleben
                          Full Member
                          • Apr 2014
                          • 7149

                          Originally posted by DracoM View Post
                          Anyone going to ask a few questions about the fitness of this pitch?
                          Either side could just make a few soundings?
                          I would have thought leading the charge will be the broadcasters who have paid a fortune for this farce ...

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                          • Belgrove
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 960

                            They should have an exhibition match so that we’ve something to watch over the next couple of days!

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                            • Serial_Apologist
                              Full Member
                              • Dec 2010
                              • 38017

                              I'm not sure why bother with cricket these days. First one side gives all the advantages to the other, then next time around trounces them, only to chuck it all away on the next day. That only one batsman in a side can face up to a spinner says all that needs saying about training standards and today's calibre of intake.

                              I just hate the associated triumphalism of it all, and have long felt that those catching the batsman out who then toss the ball high into the air should automatically forfeit the catch.

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                              • gurnemanz
                                Full Member
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 7451

                                Interesting comments from Simon Hughes on TV just now. The extreme number of wickets falling was not only down to spin with 18 of the 30 wickets being lbw or bowled. He thought batsmen wre confused because the varnish on the pink ball was causing it to skid through, so not taking spin and coming though faster than expected.

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