Goodbyee ....

[Dave2002]

We are given extra powers, and actually know that 40 wives are unfaithful.

The question is - what happens after that?

MMMmmm. I guess nobody wants to buy into that question. I'm amused by some of the other "answers" though.

[oddoneout]

Quite a number of euphemisms appearing on the forum today!

How euphonious.

[Barbirollians]

So that's it, is it? Smiles of relief and complacency all-round?

Censorship and the curtailment of freedom of speech is just fine, is it?
The chief protagonist of which in the current context is now welcomed back warmly, while my own freedom of expression is limited by unstated or ill-defined rules or values of "taste and decency" which this anonymous agent and the moderators seemingly all agreed to uphold. Without any direct communication to me in respect of explanation or (god forbid) apology.

As I consider such values dated and prejudicial and unacceptable and that lack of communication disrespectful, I cannot continue to post here while they remain in place.

I am immensely depressed to read this - surely the thread in question could be marked by some sort of warning rather than having been deleted on the basis that it contained language that might offend ?

[Edgy 2]

Not on mine Rob, in fact you are the only person I use the other, little known, feature for ..... I get a buzz on my Fitbit every time you post ...

Wow,I had no idea

[edashtav]

I am immensely depressed to read this - surely the thread in question could be marked by some sort of warning rather than having been deleted on the basis that it contained language that might offend ?

I feel that's a useful way forward, thank you, Barbirollians The issues of freedom of speech and thought are important to GB in 2020 and must be defended. I speak in complete ignorance of the language that caused offence on one thread. Indicating that a thread MAY offend is not censorship but advice. At a time when the very future of live music on Radio 3 is at risk, we, and, perhaps, the country, needs an intelligent, independent Forum such as For 3, and we Boarders must work to remain a critical but broadly-based community. Fission will undermine our critical mass and, thus, our mission.

[LMcD]

I am immensely depressed to read this - surely the thread in question could be marked by some sort of warning rather than having been deleted on the basis that it contained language that might offend ?

For the record, I did not desire, suggest or request the removal of the thread in question. I agree with edashtav regarding the difference between censorship and advice. Being technologically illiterate, I don't know whether 'flagging' (is that the correct term?) a thread or certain postings would be possible.
Who'd be a moderator, eh?

[french frank]

Who'd be a moderator, eh?

Not me, but I would like to point out for the 94th time, that freedom of speech doesn't allow anyone to say whatever they want to wherever they want to say it. Recite the lyrics of some songs in Trafalgar Square and you'd be arrested. That isn't curtailment of freedom of speech or censorship. The T&Cs/House Rules are clear: "The main purpose of this forum is to promote discussion of BBC Radio 3 and its programming." Some regular discussions are only allowed here on (weary) sufferance in the first place and if there are official complaints they are acted upon.

[Petrushka]

Who'd be a moderator, eh?

A thankless task, I'm sure, and not one I would want to do myself. Nevertheless, there are a number of hosts on the Forum and while one can't expect them to have eyes in the back of their head or to spend every waking hour reading every post, I wouldn't necessarily thought it to be an impossibility that the skill might have been there to have nipped this one in the bud.

There are some threads where you have a sort of sixth sense that this one has the potential to be trouble. Most often, they're the ones that have little to do with Radio 3 or classical music, often, but not always, politically based, and can occasionally be ever so slightly provocative from the start before veering out of control. Before you know where you are, there's uproar and members are threatening to leave. The problem at the moment is compounded by the unusual times. Lockdown and the pandemic have made a lot of people feel frustrated and angry, with many, many lives tipped upside down. It's emerging on this Forum too. People are acting in ways they wouldn't do in more normal times and sensitivities are increasingly fragile. Perhaps we need to think a bit more carefully before we hit 'post quick reply'.

[richardfinegold]

Not on mine Rob, in fact you are the only person I use the other, little known, feature for ..... I get a buzz on my Fitbit every time you post ...

Sounds vaguely erotic

[Joseph K]

On a poetry forum I used to post on, unless the poem was posted on the erotic/adult section of the forum (in which case it was considered a given that it might be a bit saucy) it was expected that someone posting a poem which contains swear words or sex references etc. would forewarn readers in the title of the thread.

Obviously that can't always be done. But thread titles can be altered, I presume.

[LMcD]

A thankless task, I'm sure, and not one I would want to do myself. Nevertheless, there are a number of hosts on the Forum and while one can't expect them to have eyes in the back of their head or to spend every waking hour reading every post, I wouldn't necessarily thought it to be an impossibility that the skill might have been there to have nipped this one in the bud.

There are some threads where you have a sort of sixth sense that this one has the potential to be trouble. Most often, they're the ones that have little to do with Radio 3 or classical music, often, but not always, politically based, and can occasionally be ever so slightly provocative from the start before veering out of control. Before you know where you are, there's uproar and members are threatening to leave. The problem at the moment is compounded by the unusual times. Lockdown and the pandemic have made a lot of people feel frustrated and angry, with many, many lives tipped upside down. It's emerging on this Forum too. People are acting in ways they wouldn't do in more normal times and sensitivities are increasingly fragile. Perhaps we need to think a bit more carefully before we hit 'post quick reply'.

I agree with much of what of you say - but who would have thought that what was intended to be a light-hearted thread intended to share fine examples of the songwriter's art would have been diverted/ perverted/hijacked/infected, or whatever you care to call it - in the way that it was? I think we're all in trouble if, as you say, threads 'that have little to do with Radio 3 or classical music' are often more likely to pose problems, whatever their original intention. That'll teach me to try to cheer people up via the Great American Song Book!

[Joseph K]

I agree with much of what of you say - but who would have thought that what was intended to be a light-hearted thread intended to share fine examples of the songwriter's art would have been diverted/ perverted/hijacked/infected, or whatever you care to call it - in the way that it was? I think we're all in trouble if, as you say, threads 'that have little to do with Radio 3 or classical music' are often more likely to pose problems, whatever their original intention. That'll teach me to try to cheer people up via the Great American Song Book!

Uhh the examples JLW posted were absolutely examples of memorable lyrics!

[antongould]

Sounds vaguely erotic

not even vaguely

[Count Boso]

Uhh the examples JLW posted were absolutely examples of memorable lyrics!

Nothing's that simple:

memorable:

1. Worthy of remembrance or note; worth remembering; not to be forgotten.

2. Easy to remember, able to be remembered; memorizable

I remember a lot of pop song words from my early adolescence - a long time ago. They are easy to remember, but they aren't, for that reason, worthy of being remembered. And there some things one would give anything just to be able to forget, but can't.

[cloughie]

Nothing's that simple:

memorable:

1. Worthy of remembrance or note; worth remembering; not to be forgotten.

2. Easy to remember, able to be remembered; memorizable

I remember a lot of pop song words from my early adolescence - a long time ago. They are easy to remember, but they aren't, for that reason, worthy of being remembered. And there some things one would give anything just to be able to forget, but can't.

I also find that I can remember pop song words from my teens but find it incredibly difficult to remember words of choir and group songs that I need now! Maybe that’s one of the prices paid for becoming a diamond teenager!

The ‘Hissing’ was fine but I don’t think I want to remember Jayne’s other song ever!