Goodbyee ....

[Dave2002]

If we can't understand the motivation of others, that's our shortcoming, not theirs - and in the long-run our loss too.

Not necessarily. There may be no loss at all in not understanding somene else, and indeed a gain, as it might save a lot of time.

Sorry - I’m too pedantic.

It’s never possible to be absolutely sure of someone else’s motivation. Well, that’s my opinion, anyway.

[vinteuil]

It’s never possible to be absolutely sure of someone else’s motivation. Well, that’s my opinion, anyway.

... is it indeed possible to be 'absolutely sure' of one's own motivation? I doubt it : our behaviour is massively over-determined, and winkling out quite why x did y is one of life's imponderables.


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[oddoneout]

For a pyschologist, this thread has made for a most rewarding read in what it reveals about the personae adopted by members, which may or may not correspond to the real "them". My own theory is that people reveal more, anonymously, on social media platforms than they do in real life. This is the "real them". Life out there is when they put on an act.

If we can't understand the motivation of others, that's our shortcoming, not theirs - and in the long-rtun our loss too.

I would tend to agree with the first sentence, but the subsequent statement is perhaps open to question. For the same reason (anonymity) that revelations can be made 'safely', there are other individuals who will try on a different version of themselves - for all sorts of reasons, some of them wholly undesirable. I'm thinking of online in general here regarding that latter comment, not implying anything about Forum members I hasten to add.

[eighthobstruction]

....well I have to say that my 'action potential' is always on the go....just the sort of man I am....<<<It turns out that we weren't designed (sic)to be rational creatures. Instead the mind is composed of a messy network of different areas, many of which are involved in the production of emotions. Whenever someone makes a decision, the brain is awash in passions, driven by its inexplicable passions. Even when a person tries to be reasonable and restrained, these emotional impulses secretly influence judgement>>>....I'm definitely internal locus of control type....awash with passion....a bit of a widget....

[Padraig]

I'd like to thank those Forumistas who've accepted my generally light-hearted approach to things and taught me so much over the past 34 months. Sadly, the relentless increase in rancour, bad language and indeed, in some cases, what I would categorize as bad taste has proved too much of late, so I'm bowing out - more in sorrow than in anger.
This is LMcD - logging off.

Hoping to help but not doing so.

[Nick Armstrong]

I’d never looked at the lyrics thread so am somewhat mystified

All I know is that LMcD and Jayne are both valued forumistas for me and I hope neither departs!

Also that it’s great to see fast cars on track again: don’t the black ‘We Race As One’ Mercedes look awesome?

Stick around for the fun bits, Jayne & LMcD!

[ahinton]

After the censorship of all my posts (two Prince, one Joni Mitchell, only one of them sexually explicit) on the now restored Memorable Lyrics Thread, you might be singing Missing You to me soon....

My head says leave, my music-loving-music-sharing heart says.....
Like Dusty, I just don't know what to do with myself....

Might as well get the champagne out for the return of Grand Prix... there is a certain Art to Suffering Nobly for the cause of Free Speech......

Jayne: stay! That's all that I have to say right now!

[johncorrigan]

All I know is that LMcD and Jayne are both valued forumistas for me and I hope neither departs!

I agree wholeheartedly, Cal.

[MrGongGong]

What on earth is going on ?
(or as Bill Drummond would say ........)

Someone takes Ambridge at language after starting a thread about it
then takes their ball inside

And posts start getting deleted at random ... with no explanation
Is this the Enid Blyton society ?

FFS

[gradus]

I hope he changes his mind. I haven't read any post from Jayne or anyone else that offends me but maybe she isn't the problem.

[Bryn]

I hope he changes his mind. I haven't read any post from Jayne or anyone else that offends me but maybe she isn't the problem.

I think it is likely that the whole thread was taken down as a convenient way of avoiding having to go through it, post by post, deciding what should go an what might stay.

[MrGongGong]

We need a specification of "bad language" in the current & related contexts....sexually explicit language cannot be defined as "bad" inherently.

I think we have one

We have this

As for bad language, it serves no purpose other that to relieve the frustration of the writer,

Presented as a fact rather than an opinion

"Bad" language ?

[Count Boso]

Not necessarily. There may be no loss at all in not understanding somene else, and indeed a gain, as it might save a lot of time.

Sorry - I’m too pedantic.

It’s never possible to be absolutely sure of someone else’s motivation. Well, that’s my opinion, anyway.

When I said "can't understand" I was differentiating between that and "don't understand". On the whole if someone gives an explanation, it's good to "accept" what they say (which is not the same as being convinced, or thinking it's rational, or even justifiable). One may even "understand"/sense that there is something else which is unsaid. In some circumstances one may wish to challenge, contradict, deny, ridicule, self-interrogate, sympathise, comfort. But I think one then reveals a little bit about oneself.

I have several times heard people say they have met "X" over a pint and he was a really nice chap - not at all like his online persona. But I tend to doubt whether anyone with finer instincts of empathy, generosity of spirit etc would wish to adopt an unpleasant persona - rude, spiteful, belittling, intolerant - online.

[Bryn]

I think we have one

We have this



Presented as a fact rather than an opinion

"Bad" language ?

I'm reminded of the ultimately unsuccessful Sex Pistols prosecution. Still, Never Mind the Orchestras.

[Dave2002]

....well I have to say that my 'action potential' is always on the go...

Mmmm. There's a technical term which I've not seen for a while - I think from neuro-science.