Goodbyee ....

[eighthobstruction]

... why does she get a pudding?


.

....well there are those who actually like pudding....not just get it....

[vinteuil]

Come, come, sir. You cannot have it both ways - a pudding or a deserved fate. Pray make your mind up.

... ah well, I hope the pudding (if not her execution) was her just desert.

[Flay]

I cannot understand what all this fuss is about. Why the censorship? Jayne did not write about anything abnormal.

Please let it drop, make friends, and get on doing what Jayne frequently implores us to do: talk about music!

https://youtu.be/BUOzUTXFlQA

[Count Boso]

... ah well, I hope the pudding (if not her execution) was her just desert.

Damn you, sir

[Oakapple]

As for this: Yes you have, it's called the 21st century.

That's the sort of scorn and mockery I was expecting. But as only one other person has openly approved of it, perhaps I was overreacting in my previous post and I can take a joke.

So I am sure this forum will prosper in a good natured way. My best wishes to all, especially the Guardian readers. As the least read national newspaper it needs all the support it can get.

[Richard Barrett]

That's the sort of scorn and mockery I was expecting.

But seriously, I would have thought that in view of the catastrophic record of the present government in almost every regard but especially in its lethal response to the Covid pandemic, anyone who voted Tory in the last election ought to be hanging their head in shame. I imagine this post will be removed but I hope a few people see it first.

[eighthobstruction]

But seriously, I would have thought that in view of the catastrophic record of the present government in almost every regard but especially in its lethal response to the Covid pandemic, anyone who voted Tory in the last election ought to be hanging their head in shame. I imagine this post will be removed but I hope a few people see it first.

....Lets get on the bandwagon here, and extend the date back to 2010....The Essex Lawyers know how to talk....there is nothing to censor as they amongst it all, and around and about they say nothing in effect....SPLITS....Thatcher did it with Monetarism....Cameron, May, Johnson with Mendacitry....

[MrGongGong]

But seriously, I would have thought that in view of the catastrophic record of the present government in almost every regard but especially in its lethal response to the Covid pandemic, anyone who voted Tory in the last election ought to be hanging their head in shame. I imagine this post will be removed but I hope a few people see it first.

Don't be daft it's all going swimmingly well

[Count Boso]

That's the sort of scorn and mockery I was expecting. But as only one other person has openly approved of it, perhaps I was overreacting in my previous post and I can take a joke.

Speaking as a Remainer who voted Labour (oh, dear, and reads the Guardian ) I can say that my erstwhile hero, Varoufakis, lost all my admiration when he said he thought the British people were right in voting to leave - though he did give a reason which to me was nonsensical and didn't explain his change of heart. He also said, following a question* on Brexit, that he was a conviction politician and would rather lose an election than compromise his beliefs. As far as I'm concerned, he may be a man of convictions but he's no politician if he'd rather lose an election to the hard right than concede anything to a moderate position.

*The question was whether he could accept that many people who voted to leave were not actually 'racist' but genuinely in a more vulnerable position than the Metropolitan elites who had no fears for their livelihoods. He couldn't apparently.

I think your decision regarding Brexit was mistaken, but I would not extend to the Daily Telegraph the same consideration I would extend to you. It became in the Brexit debate a biased rag as bad as the Mail and Express in its distortions - all part of a power putch by two non dom billionaires who have no concern for the general run of British people.

[Dave2002]

But seriously, I would have thought that in view of the catastrophic record of the present government in almost every regard but especially in its lethal response to the Covid pandemic, anyone who voted Tory in the last election ought to be hanging their head in shame. I imagine this post will be removed but I hope a few people see it first.

Current troubles might have been no different under any government. What I can't fully understand is why emergency planning guidelines haven't been invoked, or at least investigated. I remember the film "The War Game" which I saw in the cinema when it was shortly available, and it was clear that the governments in those times had access to departments and experts (possibly secret) with rule books for what to do in very severe emergencies. What was contemplated was unpleasant - very, but possibly sensible for the times and the potential threats. Surely those books haven't been destroyed, but rather added to.

There were in more recent years also emergency planning officers - possibly now no longer working or their departments disbanded, who had plans for all sorts of things that most of us would not want to contemplate. I'll give one example and leave it - "mobile crematoriums" - but I think there were many other things considered. There must be a whole panoply of things which have been considered in the past - a repository of potentially useful ideas, so is the current government ignoring completely anything which has been learned in the past, and trying to do everything from scratch? Possibly!

In the sort of situation which the country has been facing in the last six months ideas from any person, whatever their political allegiances, should have been considered, or are we as a country to adopt stupid dogma and mix tribal politics with more "objective" systems. I'll deliberately misuse/misquote a quote from another context - "We don't believe in Newton or Einstein's 'laws' - we have a kind of socialist gravity model". Whatever does politics have to do with science?

[cloughie]

... ah well, I hope the pudding (if not her execution) was her just desert.

Maybe ‘Death by Chocolate’

[eighthobstruction]

Current troubles might have been no different under any government. What I can't fully understand is why emergency planning guidelines haven't been invoked, or at least investigated.

....Austerity, austerity, austerity....all kicked to long grass by the ostrichs....leaky decimated understaffed Border Force....too many damaged components that make a nation safer/wiser/flexible/quick of foot....cut price Care ....

[oddoneout]

Is this now demonstrating the 'going off into unintended areas' mentioned some time back?
I have found it interesting reading the comments arising from the OP. When people of different views, some very strongly held, congregate to discuss diverse topics, there will arise points of friction and disagreement, and decisions about managing those(where deemed desirable/necessary) will inevitably in themselves cause disagreement, not least as to whether intervention was needed at all. A microcosm of our lives?
There have been occasions when I've had to just avoid following a discussion as I've found the language or views not to my liking, and that can be frustrating if the subject is of interest, but it's only a part of the whole, there are other threads, and sometimes the dropping out only needs to be temporary.
At least on the forum I have some control over what, and whose, views I access. Over the garden fence interactions with my neighbours have been a real challenge on occasion in the past 3 months, and I can't just click away to a different screen... As someone living alone I need the human interaction, but by golly do I have to bite my tongue sometimes! Using the forum doesn't require me to control spoken comments or facial expressions if I disagree and I can decide whether to respond or not, without risking misunderstanding. The written word is always going to have that element of chance about it that the nuances of spoken interaction are missing, and that words on the screen can seem rather harsh without the tone of voice to make clear the intention.

[DracoM]

Is this now demonstrating the 'going off into unintended areas' mentioned some time back?
I have found it interesting reading the comments arising from the OP. When people of different views, some very strongly held, congregate to discuss diverse topics, there will arise points of friction and disagreement, and decisions about managing those(where deemed desirable/necessary) will inevitably in themselves cause disagreement, not least as to whether intervention was needed at all. A microcosm of our lives?
There have been occasions when I've had to just avoid following a discussion as I've found the language or views not to my liking, and that can be frustrating if the subject is of interest, but it's only a part of the whole, there are other threads, and sometimes the dropping out only needs to be temporary.
At least on the forum I have some control over what, and whose, views I access. Over the garden fence interactions with my neighbours have been a real challenge on occasion in the past 3 months, and I can't just click away to a different screen... As someone living alone I need the human interaction, but by golly do I have to bite my tongue sometimes! Using the forum doesn't require me to control spoken comments or facial expressions if I disagree and I can decide whether to respond or not, without risking misunderstanding. The written word is always going to have that element of chance about it that the nuances of spoken interaction are missing, and that words on the screen can seem rather harsh without the tone of voice to make clear the intention.

Spot on.

[Serial_Apologist]

A friend has drawn my attention to the fact that I can ignore posts from certain people - an option of which, being technologically illiterate, I was previously unaware. Odd that nobody's mentioned it here, but it would certainly remove the major source of my irritation.

Ah, so THAT explains it!