Goodbye to ERASMUS

[Felix the Gnat]

What people voted for seems to be an end to ANYTHING that involves collaboration and exchange.
Do you really think the likes JRM and chums are going to allow things that involve giving money to these things ?

Life won't end but many of the things that we benefit from WILL and already have.

as for "write to your MP" waste of time ... mine doesn't even do surgeries

Wir schaffen das
Be positive - we must look for the best, not accept the worstest.

We can get what those countries I've listed have got and even do as well as Turkey, Iceland, Serbia et al have (full programme) - or would you rather we didn't?

[Richard Barrett]

We can get what those countries I've listed have got and even do as well as Turkey, Iceland, Serbia et al have (full programme)

Indeed so. I think in the end it's very unlikely that the UK will pull out of the Erasmus programme.

[MrGongGong]

Wir schaffen das
Be positive - we must look for the best, not accept the worstest.

We can get what those countries I've listed have got and even do as well as Turkey, Iceland, Serbia et al have (full programme) - or would you rather we didn't?

"We" could have avoided the whole self-harming nonsense in the first place
It's hard to "Be Positive" when things you have spent many years working on are being wilfully destroyed by f*ckwits

[Pulcinella]

Indeed so. I think in the end it's very unlikely that the UK will pull out of the Erasmus programme.

Let's hope that that's the case.
As with many other aspects of collaboration it's the uncertainty that's so disconcerting at present.

[Felix the Gnat]

Indeed so. I think in the end it's very unlikely that the UK will pull out of the Erasmus programme.

My thoughts are the same.

[DracoM]

<< The University to which my g-daughter belongs (in her final year) is up in arms about it...and I mean the university itself, not just the students. They have done their research, and Erasmus is only available during the so-called transition period. After that (we have been reliably informed) the Conservative government has no intention of continuing as a member of the Erasmus scheme. They have put out some waffle that in the future they will be “open to maintaining and expanding cooperation in education”. I'm afraid I've seen too many weasel words to be taken in by that one. Despite what you say Felix, the government intends to leave Erasmus after the transition period.

BTW everyone who feels strongly about this should write to their MPs, ERG group or not. As for what ERG stands for, it's like a phrase lifted out of 1984. >>

Had nephew on prog, amazing view on it, sold him on international co-operation, now works in The Hague as a direct result of contacts made, BUT for a Brit company. Irony or what - Brit company now having to "re-think their European commitment"...................ahem?

Bah!

[StephenMcK]

This is useful. From Channel 4's Factcheck team:

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-has-the-government-pulled-the-uk-out-of-erasmus?fbclid=IwAR3eR7sPWIGKNUXc4rgE0k-S4iA1aRpWcn-iT-mNnRew_sOMM5srfO4YpSM

[Andrew]

"We" could have avoided the whole self-harming nonsense in the first place
It's hard to "Be Positive" when things you have spent many years working on are being wilfully destroyed by f*ckwits

I'm not sure if your reference to f**kwits refers to the current politicians running things, or the people who voted to leave the European Union in 2016. If it is the latter, I take offence at the remark. If the former, I shan't take offence per se but feel that we must all respect the democratic decision of the electorate, which, by any objective measure, must be a resounding endorsement of Conservative policies.

[MrGongGong]

I'm not sure if your reference to f**kwits refers to the current politicians running things, or the people who voted to leave the European Union in 2016. If it is the latter, I take offence at the remark. If the former, I shan't take offence per se but feel that we must all respect the democratic decision of the electorate, which, by any objective measure, must be a resounding endorsement of Conservative policies.

We do not have to "respect" it at all
Just because lots of people appear to "choose" something doesn't make it a good idea .....

In the last election MOST people voted for parties that either wanted to ditch Brexit or have a 2nd referendum

[Andrew]

We do not have to "respect" it at all
Just because lots of people appear to "choose" something doesn't make it a good idea .....

In the last election MOST people voted for parties that either wanted to ditch Brexit or have a 2nd referendum

Grateful for you editing your earlier remarks-I've just had the carpets cleaned! Surely it doesn't matter whether you (or i!) think something a "good idea" or not-this is democracy at work and how decisions are taken.

[Felix the Gnat]

In the last election MOST people voted for parties that either wanted to ditch Brexit or have a 2nd referendum

[MrGongGong]

Grateful for you editing your earlier remarks-I've just had the carpets cleaned! Surely it doesn't matter whether you (or i!) think something a "good idea" or not-this is democracy at work and how decisions are taken.

Not really
as I've said many times fetishising "democracy" is a very dangerous thing indeed

I don't see many of those banging on about the "democratic will of the people" campaigning to have things like the "democratic" jury decision to jail the Birmingham 6 overturned ?

[pastoralguy]

I'm not sure if your reference to f**kwits refers to the current politicians running things, or the people who voted to leave the European Union in 2016. If it is the latter, I take offence at the remark. If the former, I shan't take offence per se but feel that we must all respect the democratic decision of the electorate, which, by any objective measure, must be a resounding endorsement of Conservative policies.

Scotland didn't vote to leave by quite a margin and yet we're being dragged out of Europe.

[MrGongGong]

That's NOT a map of how many people voted
it's a map of how many MPs and what party they represent

https://www.indy100.com/article/general-election-results-remain-leave-labour-tories-lib-dem-votes-9245506

[MrGongGong]

Scotland didn't vote to leave by quite a margin and yet we're being dragged out of Europe.

I think Andrew (ironic name there pal) will say "that's democracy" so suck it up