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  • Serial_Apologist
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    • Dec 2010
    • 37814

    #31
    Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
    ... o, in many people's view, I wd think. Just as there are those who see Elgar as the ne plus ultra of English music.

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    Anthony Payne, for one, rates Tchailovsky way above The Five.

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    • Serial_Apologist
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      • Dec 2010
      • 37814

      #32
      Originally posted by Conchis View Post

      Sidebar to this: Tchiakovksy’s reactionary politics aren’t often discussed but he must surely have been the most right-wing composer who ever lived. Were he alive today, I can imagine him being all over Putin (Putin would have discouraged that naturallly!) and would have strongly supportive of Putin’s anti-homosexual laws. He would also have been delighted with the President’s description of him as a ‘person without a family.’
      To spite his own sexuality, do you think?

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      • zola
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        • May 2011
        • 656

        #33
        Returning to Neil rather than Tchaikovsky, I am sorry to hear this.

        Like others, I only met him once at a social function connected to the old R3ok board but found his face to face persona nothing like his online approach which was confrontational and abrasive to say the least. He also stayed with a good friend of mine in Ireland once for a couple of days during an abortive attempt to get some project off the ground over there and was a most personable guest. I do realise though that he was a very easy person to get on the wrong side of and that was not something you ever wanted to do.

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        • Conchis
          Banned
          • Jun 2014
          • 2396

          #34
          Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
          To spite his own sexuality, do you think?

          He would have identified himself as a Russian patriot first and foremost and would have rather died (in fact, may have rather died) than identify himself as a homoexual. He was also obsessed with the idea of monarchy (Catherine the Great was his heroine) and he would recognise Putin as the next best thing to a Tsar.

          Dostoyevsky would also have been a Putin cheerleader.

          Not so sure about Tolstoy, though.

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          • Conchis
            Banned
            • Jun 2014
            • 2396

            #35
            Originally posted by zola View Post
            Returning to Neil rather than Tchaikovsky, I am sorry to hear this.

            Like others, I only met him once at a social function connected to the old R3ok board but found his face to face persona nothing like his online approach which was confrontational and abrasive to say the least. He also stayed with a good friend of mine in Ireland once for a couple of days during an abortive attempt to get some project off the ground over there and was a most personable guest. I do realise though that he was a very easy person to get on the wrong side of and that was not something you ever wanted to do.
            This is exactly what I heard from another R3OK forumite (not on here) who met him.

            The idea of a person’s online persona being at variance to their ‘real life’ one is neither unusual nor uncommon.

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            • BBMmk2
              Late Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 20908

              #36
              A former R3ok member as well. Very sad to hear this. Another member PMed me on Messenger about his passing.
              Don’t cry for me
              I go where music was born

              J S Bach 1685-1750

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              • ahinton
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                • Nov 2010
                • 16123

                #37
                Originally posted by Conchis View Post
                He would have identified himself as a Russian patriot first and foremost and would have rather died (in fact, may have rather died) than identify himself as a homoexual.
                Wasn't he married to a Russian female soprano?

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                • Dave2002
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                  • Dec 2010
                  • 18035

                  #38
                  Originally posted by ahinton View Post
                  Wasn't he married to a Russian female soprano?
                  I don't think so - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonina_Miliukova

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                  • ahinton
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                    • Nov 2010
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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Dave2002 View Post
                    I don't quite get that.

                    I think that her name was/is Svetlana Sozdateleva.

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                    • Conchis
                      Banned
                      • Jun 2014
                      • 2396

                      #40
                      Originally posted by ahinton View Post
                      I don't quite get that.

                      I think that her name was/is Svetlana Sozdateleva.
                      Were you referring to Neil McGowan or to Tchaikovsky?

                      From what I remember, Neil McGowan WAS married (as was P.I.T. of course) and the Russain soprano does ring a distant bell.

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                      • Bryn
                        Banned
                        • Mar 2007
                        • 24688

                        #41
                        Originally posted by ahinton View Post
                        I don't quite get that.

                        I think that her name was/is Svetlana Sozdateleva.
                        I too was wondering whether Pete or Neil was the husband being referred to. If Neil was married to Svetlana, then his reviews of her work seem to have been rife with nepotism.
                        Last edited by Bryn; 11-12-19, 18:28. Reason: Typo

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                        • Dave2002
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                          • Dec 2010
                          • 18035

                          #42
                          Originally posted by ahinton View Post
                          I don't quite get that.

                          I think that her name was/is Svetlana Sozdateleva.
                          I think there is an ambiguity. If you are thinking about Neil aka Reiner Torheit you may very well be right - but Tchaikovsky was married to Antonina Miliukova. Perhaps the way the posts got ordered, together with mentions of "homoexuals", about which I know very little, muddled the flow.

                          Svetlana Sozdateleva (https://www.opera.lv/en/artists/arch...na-sozdateleva) has appeared at Glyndebourne in recent years, and is indeed a Russian soprano. I do not know who she is or has been married to.

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