Fun and games with ballot papers

[LMcD]

Well actually she didn't. She has mentioned repeatedly that she has managed a minority administration for four years.

Her demeanour may suggest otherwise, but her words fit with what I have just written.

You're quite correct, of course. Perhaps I should have said something along the lines of 'Scotland's government is led by a more impressive figure than England's'. Until recently, the same could have been said of the Conservative Party in Scotland and England.

[Anastasius]

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Yes, the other things are vitally important BUT you don't create a fairer society by walking away from the collaborations that enable us to prosper.

Spot on.

[Anastasius]

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I'm not at all convinced that our current system is in any way satisfactory.

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Maybe. Maybe not. But when one considers what folk went through all those many, many years ago to ensure that you all have the option to vote....then IMO one should vote. Morally indefensible not to IMO.

[Anastasius]

Wealth and earnings are obviously different things. A lot of people own their own house and certainly in London that can be an asset that is worth a lot on paper. But unless you borrow against it, or let a room out (assuming you’d want to) it is not income producing unless and until you sell it. Granted, the rise in house prices in London compared to the rest of the country has led to the perception that this wealth is unearned, but what of those who have saved to pay off their mortgages? Who borrowed many years ago, and spent carefully meantime, so as to own an asset in later life? Or who simply can’t or won’t move, for whatever reason. Why should their frugality be penalised by, as appears to be envisaged, tax charges on sale of that asset? Or worse still a ‘windfall’ tax in the form of an annual charge. All that will happen is that the banks which run foreign domiciled trusts hitherto the preserve of the super rich will come up with a product for the mid market which enables them to avoid paying it. In effect, capital flight from the U.K. and money taken out of the economy. Nobody benefits from that.

You are bang on the money there and encapsulates the very essence of Socialism...to whit...the politics of envy.

[Joseph K]

Came to this late. No, it isn't. He's an anti-semite.

https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/article/fifty-times-jeremy-corbyn-stood-with-jewish-people/

Supports terrorists.

https://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.com/2018/08/the-anti-corbyn-smears-clearly-arent.html

[Joseph K]

You are bang on the money there and encapsulates the very essence of Socialism...to whit...the politics of envy.

Umm, no. This is twaddle. I don't envy any rich people, and I know of some people who have money but who are nonetheless socialists. Calling socialism 'the politics of envy' is so inane, all it needs is anecdotal evidence to prove it's wrong.

[Dave2002]

https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org...jewish-people/




https://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.c...rly-arent.html

I really don't know.

Jo Swinson claims that she's talked to people who know, and tries to tell us that the comments are correct, but why should I believe her anymore than anyone else?

Today's World this Weekend (R4) - had what I can only describe as biased reporting by a BBC reporter - was it Mark Mardell - though he did make it clear it was "his" opinion - https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000bl1p Where is today's programme 24/11 on the BBC website? Seems it changes its name at the weekend - not World at One.

[doversoul1]

A couple of JC related articles/opinions

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov/20/corbyn-terrorist-sympathiser-double-standards

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov/22/jewish-voting-labour-antisemitism-progressive-government

[Anastasius]

https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org...jewish-people/




https://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.c...rly-arent.html

Ah, a Google warrior. True, Google long enough and eventually one can find a webpage that supports whatever specious views one has.

[Anastasius]

Umm, no. This is twaddle. I don't envy any rich people, and I know of some people who have money but who are nonetheless socialists. Calling socialism 'the politics of envy' is so inane, all it needs is anecdotal evidence to prove it's wrong.

We'll have to differ on that one, then.

[MrGongGong]

Wealth and earnings are obviously different things. A lot of people own their own house and certainly in London that can be an asset that is worth a lot on paper. But unless you borrow against it, or let a room out (assuming you’d want to) it is not income producing unless and until you sell it. Granted, the rise in house prices in London compared to the rest of the country has led to the perception that this wealth is unearned, but what of those who have saved to pay off their mortgages? Who borrowed many years ago, and spent carefully meantime, so as to own an asset in later life? Or who simply can’t or won’t move, for whatever reason. Why should their frugality be penalised by, as appears to be envisaged, tax charges on sale of that asset? Or worse still a ‘windfall’ tax in the form of an annual charge. All that will happen is that the banks which run foreign domiciled trusts hitherto the preserve of the super rich will come up with a product for the mid market which enables them to avoid paying it. In effect, capital flight from the U.K. and money taken out of the economy. Nobody benefits from that.

Interesting
What you are suggesting is that money that is gained simply through owning things (in this case property) is somehow NOT earnings and therefore should be free of tax. Whereas, money one gains through toil is fine to be taxed.... seems the wrong way round to me...without paying tax we won't have schools, hospitals and the rest. You only pay tax when you make profits/gains on capital in the same way you pay tax on earnings you make by exchanging your labour for £.
It seems that some folks like to have things both ways, the value of a house is capital when it's needed to borrow against and it's not if you sell it.
Surely if you make money you pay tax on the money you make?

[Joseph K]

Ah, a Google warrior. True, Google long enough and eventually one can find a webpage that supports whatever specious views one has.

What was specious about the information on the links I provided?

[Richard Barrett]

Ah, a Google warrior. True, Google long enough and eventually one can find a webpage that supports whatever specious views one has.

Is that what you did yourself? Because you actually haven't presented anything in support of your views. Which seem to express themselves in exclusively negative terms - if all you can see in socialism is the "politics of envy" I put it to you that your empathy with your fellow human beings is as absent as your sense of imagination. Humanity isn't going to survive the coming decades on such sterile and joyless attitudes; but maybe it's all the same to you.

[ahinton]

Is that what you did yourself? Because you actually haven't presented anything in support of your views. Which seem to express themselves in exclusively negative terms - if all you can see in socialism is the "politics of envy" I put it to you that your empathy with your fellow human beings is as absent as your sense of imagination. Humanity isn't going to survive the coming decades on such sterile and joyless attitudes; but maybe it's all the same to you.

Well said. I am as you know no socialist but a world without the corrective influence of true socialism is not one in which I would wish to live.

[Bryn]

I suppose it was inevitable that MOSSAD stoogery would rear its ugly head here before long. I prescribe a dose of https://www.aljazeera.com/investigations/thelobby/. Very well researched, though probably likely to be dismissed as fake news by Islamaphobists. Support for the rights of the Palestinians displaced by Israeli terrorism during and after the creation of the modern state of Israel does not equate to anti-Semitism. That said, it was pretty naive of JC not to immediately recognise the anti-Semitic trope inherent in the infamous 'bankers' mural. An error he has since made self-criticism for. That said, the artist strongly denies any anti-Semitic motivation or intent, asserting that it was strictly an attempt to highlight class oppression.