Fun and games with ballot papers

[MrGongGong]

Not voting is an odd way of signifying disagreement. A vote for a candidate unlikely to win is not wasted but a lawful means of dissent and it is odd to reject it whilst arguing for dissent by other means.

The problem (as I've said before) is when all votes are considered as a vote FOR
so if I vote for a candidate AGAINST the delusional misogynistic bigot who happens to be "my" MP with a huge majority it will be taken as an endorsement.

We aren't going to get another system so that's the gig i'm afraid

[ahinton]

In the last three GEs in my constituency some Labour supporters voted Conservative because of the popularity of the incumbent as a constituency MP. Even the abandonment of FPTP in favour of some form of PR would not dispose of the conflict of interest that can arise betwen a candidate's reputation as a constituency MP and the manifesto and reputation of the party that he/she represents...

[gurnemanz]

I have always voted Liberal/Lib Dem and no doubt this has always essentially constituted voting against Con and Lab. No candidate I have voted for has got even close to being elected. N Wilts is fertile anti-Europe territory with a staunch ERG MP and a 22,000 Tory majority last time, so I assume my next vote will also be futile.

[Dave2002]

I don’t expect my vote to make any difference. Even a pot of lard - arguably not too much different from the previous MP - would probably be elected to support the Tories. Yuk!
Nevertheless I shall vote, and report back if my predictions turn out to be incorrect. Don’t expect to hear from me again!

[vinteuil]

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I shall vote. Here we have a solid London Labour constituency, with a decent remainer MP. The other candidates are not to be taken seriously.

So I'm happy that our MP will be the one I vote for.

But it's all a bit meaningless - here I am, happy to vote Labour in a safe Labour seat, where my vote won't 'mean' anything, while elsewhere friends and colleagues are in solid Tory territory where their Labour votes will be similarly meaningless.

I'm not at all convinced that our current system is in any way satisfactory.

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[Serial_Apologist]

Even if I thought Labour had the remotest chance of winning this seat, how would I know whether a vote for their candidate was a vote to remain or not?

Presumably he or she will be giving his or her views on Brexit/Remain? Several Labour candidates have done, thus far.

[oddoneout]

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I shall vote. Here we have a solid London Labour constituency, with a decent remainer MP. The other candidates are not to be taken seriously.

So I'm happy that our MP will be the one I vote for.

But it's all a bit meaningless - here I am, happy to vote Labour in a safe Labour seat, where my vote won't 'mean' anything, while elsewhere friends and colleagues are in solid Tory territory where their Labour votes will be similarly meaningless.

I'm not at all convinced that our current system is in any way satisfactory..

Not for the voting public, especially those who put some thought into the process, certainly, but it sure as hell suits ConLab setup, so it'll stay.

[LMcD]

Presumably he or she will be giving his or her views on Brexit/Remain? Several Labour candidates have done, thus far.

His leaflet says:
'Labour will negotiate a better deal and offer you a choice between Labour's deal and Remain'. Does he seriously believe that the EU will agree to even more negotiations?

[MrGongGong]

His leaflet says:
'Labour will negotiate a better deal and offer you a choice between Labour's deal and Remain'. Does he seriously believe that the EU will agree to even more negotiations?

It's bullshit, the Labour party know that leaving the EU will adversely affect those they claim to care about but they are quite prepared to go through with it to appease their Marxist debating society members. So much for "the many" then

It's alright though because we will all get free online porn as announced today

[oddoneout]

A fourth candidate has appeared in my constituency list claiming to be and listed as an Independent, but trying to find out more all I could get was the Twit info that he is a Brexit Party PPC. Is this what Farage means by the U turn on putting up BP bods against Tories?

[Serial_Apologist]

It's bullshit, the Labour party know that leaving the EU will adversely affect those they claim to care about but they are quite prepared to go through with it to appease their Marxist debating society members. So much for "the many" then

It's alright though because we will all get free online porn as announced today

Not their "Marxist debating society members" but all those erstwhile labour voters set to vote either Tory or Brexit Party in the GE, of whom as you well know there are many.

[teamsaint]

Even if I thought Labour had the remotest chance of winning this seat, how would I know whether a vote for their candidate was a vote to remain or not?

They are committed to a referendum with remain as an option.

The almost certain alternative is the Boris deal going through.

Also, checking out what your Labour candidate wants to do is an important consideration, as S-A mentioned.. There are no cast iron guarantees whatever we choose to do.

[MrGongGong]

Not their "Marxist debating society members" but all those erstwhile labour voters set to vote either Tory or Brexit Party in the GE, of whom as you well know there are many.

Aaah yes them as well
Why on earth they need to be appeased n'all escapes me
aaah yes, can't upset the racists because we need their support

[Serial_Apologist]

His leaflet says:
'Labour will negotiate a better deal and offer you a choice between Labour's deal and Remain'. Does he seriously believe that the EU will agree to even more negotiations?

They'll agree to even more negotiations, I'm sure of that. One thing nobody in the mass media can accuse Labour's spokespeople of is failing to deliver straight answers when questioned on policy issues. If a Labour government is to happen the party has to be steadfast in order to convince as to its legitimacy. Whether or not the EU is prepared to budge from Theresa May's deal is another matter, and my guess in the event of a breakdown in negotiations is that Labour Remainers on the hustings will tacitly assume that the resulting failure at least provides evidence of effort on their behalf. Either there will be failure or a Labour government's negotiators will come up with a deal they've promised to put to a second referendum. Agreement or none, Labour would effectively telling would-be Faragists or Johnsonists, now's your chance, better informed on the option than was possible in 2016.

[Serial_Apologist]

Aaah yes them as well
Why on earth they need to be appeased n'all escapes me
aaah yes, can't upset the racists because we need their support

There are racists, but in all probability there are on both sides of the Remain/Brexit split: quite a few "Euro-ethnic supremacists" out there. Remember the underlying truths the choice conceals - between a globalist economy in which from huge impoverishing life-on-earth threatening profit making activities small titbits trickle down to welfare and the arts, and one which by restoring the primacy of statehood competition between nations threatens perpetual and probably terminal world conflict. You don't need to be a racist to come up with a rationale for Brexit, or to see the whole issue as one gigantic diversion. It's the Tories and Libdems who are choosing to make this election all about Brexit.