They’re all as bad as each other. This rampant partisan “new normal” will benefit no one except the opportunists on either wing. The country as a whole will be poorer and with vastly reduced international status for generations to come. Neither Johnson nor Corbyn, nor any of their ilk, are fit to govern. I will be glued to the tv on the night of the 12th, as I expect will we all.
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I dont think they are all as bad as each other. If I was in a marginal, I’d be happy to vote Labour, look forward to something that looks like a radical set of policies that seek to make the country a fairer, better run place, Hope that Brexit can be properly settled choice in a referendum, and hopefully get a government that wont put the pension age up another 7 years.
There would be difficulties, but the alternative , a johnson government is extremely unpalatable, and a much, much worse option.I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.
I am not a number, I am a free man.Comment
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This is what is so sad (and when I go to other countries people think is unfathomable). How on earth did we allow a situation like this to arise when we seem to have only two possibilities?Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
It's strange coming from a country so rich in imagination in other areas that it has come to this.Comment
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I’m making a brief return to this forum.....
Much as I symphathise with MGG’s point of view, I think it is self-indulgence NOT to participate in this election.
No-one could be in a more invidious position than me: my most likely next MP is either a superannuated Labour quitter, a Hard Brexit Tory or a BXPer who has called on the electors to ‘do all they can to prevent the arrival of a communist in Downing Street’.
In the circumstances, I reluctantly have to vote for the Labour quitter (and, believe me, it WILL be reluctantly) as the least worst option.
There is a a bit of sunlight: given the problems that May and Johnson had getting their ‘Brexit deals’ through the House, I woud think that Corbyn would find it much, much tougher. In fact, I can’t see Labour delivering Brexit at all, given the number of Remain-supporting MPs they have.
What I CAN see them delivering is a Referendum that might - I say MIGHT - resolve this issue in favour of remaining and clear this noisome issue from the political decks for some time.Comment
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I have just read that Count Binface who ran against Mrs May in 2017 is going to stand against Mr Johnson this time. He has commented: "I predicted that Brexit would be a s**tshow and so it proved". If I lived in Uxbridge he might well get my vote.Last edited by gurnemanz; 16-11-19, 11:58.Comment
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There are Monster RLP candidates in the county but sadly not my constituency as that would be an excellent alternative to 'none of the above' or ballot spoiling to my way of thinking.Comment
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Was anyone else totally unconvinced by Boris Johnson's blatantly obvious avoidance of mentioning Brexit and his time-wasting insistence on giving straight answers to questions about Tory policies in last night's debate with Corbyn on ITV?Originally posted by MrGongGong View PostComment
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When Boris says Brexit is oven ready... Half baked?Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View PostComment
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It seems after all that I wasn't dreaming I watched that programme, it really did take place: I've had confirmation from several reliable and trustworthy sources!Originally posted by cloughie View Post
(Apart from Johnson's blatant attempts to steal precious discussion time by overrunning, the bit I really loved was when Corbyn waved the report on the negotiating soundings in America, to reveal page after page of blanked out reportage).Comment
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Did Corbyn say how he would vote in a second referendum ?Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
I heard that he fudged it (again)Comment
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It's not fudging to show to all but those too blind not to see that to campaign for Brexit would put Corbyn at odds with a majority of the membership, together with the Blaireite MPs whose only claim to re-selection, that they support Remain, means they will still be there wanting a new Blaireite as leader. There's a lot of group-think self-deception going on among those following the media pundits insistance on Corbyn to say yes or no. For him to vote Remain would be betrayal for voters itching for any excuse to vote Tory or Farage. I guess your answer will probably be "well, let them". The only hope for ridding the country of another Boris government will then depend on the Brexit vote splitting the incumbents and letting Corbyn in; my guess is that that may well be the calculation, though it's not one that bodes well for gaining an outright majority for the Corbyn/McDonnell programme.Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
Consider this - much of what Corbyn's election promises is probably in conflict with EU rules on restrictive practices anyway.
Also what you appear to be ignoring is that the intended Corbyn soft exit deal would leave many of the aspects of free movement etc you're fearful of leaving intact. Either it gets accepted by the EU or Corbyn would have to admit there is no viable deal that meets the split ends, now is your turn, O people, to vote it in or out.Comment
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I'm glad that we spent that hour watching Series 5 Episode 8 of 'Upstairs Downstairs', in which the politics were decidedly more adult.
Our local Labour candidate has distributed a promise-filled leaflet well in advance of the announcement of his party's manifesto, so he either knows more than I suspect he does or may have to arrange a hasty issue of an amended version - a rather good (or do I mean bad?) example of the cack-handed way in which this campaign is generally being fought. I understand that there was some laughter and jeering during last night's debate - let's hope the electorate's mood doesn't end up being expressed more forcefully than that.Comment
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