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I don't think the interests of a civil discussion are served by name-calling on either "side".
One might say, however, that it comes over as slightly rich that the leader of a party that's been in power for ten years blames the opposition for the release of a prisoner a year ago, quite apart from the seriously distasteful way the murder of two people was used by Johnson as a means of furthering his own ambition for power. If the law on release passed by Labour when in power (which in fact put the onus on judges to decide whether to go for an indeterminate or fixed sentence) was so bad, the present government had plenty of time (and a particularly heartless home secretary who later became prime minister herself) to change it. Whatever one thinks of Johnson, his behaviour in this particular instance was indefensible. And whatever one thinks of Corbyn, he said nothing about "letting them all out on the streets".Comment
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Indeed, as even the quotes used in the Daily Express item cited make clear:Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post
Most of which would appear to chime with the outlook of both Jack Merritt or Saskia Jones."I think there needs to be an examination of how our prisons services work and, crucially, what happens to them after release.
"I need to know whether or not the parole board has been involved in their release – apparently they were not, they made that statement quite quickly after the release."
Mr Corbyn continued: "Secondly, there was apparently no probation board involved in monitoring this former prisoner who, after all, had only just served half his sentence and he came out a year ago.
"There has to be an examination of what goes on in prison because prisons ought to be where people are put away who committed serious offences but also a place where rehabilitation takes place."Comment
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I'm no fan of MrCOriginally posted by Anastasius View Post
but this is BULLSHIT
Defending the indefensible and offensive crap that comes out of the mouth of our "leader" might go down well at your local pubComment
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Excellent and revealing media analysis here....
Just take look at the C4 Michael Gove - Ciaran Jenkins interview Martinson links to .... I mean, just whoa...
or more like 
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Johnson nicked his ‘analysis’ of the law on this from The Secret Barrister wholesale. It’s all on Twitter. The weaponising of this tragedy by both sides is disgusting enough, that they should do so, at least on one side (and I can’t see that the other side has covered itself in glory) with such barefaced plagiarism as if cramming for an exam when they’ve not done the course (you might think this an oddly apt description of this election campaign overall) marks a new low in our politics, if indeed that is possible.Comment
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<< I don't think the interests of a civil discussion are served by name-calling on either "side". >>
Nor do I think some of the language being used in this thread advance knowledge, or show much generosity.
PLEASE keep language of postings on this Forum less incendiary at such difficult times.Comment
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Very good to see humanity in other places - East Africa floods: Trapped Kenyan fisherman rescued https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-50636560
This obsession with elections and politics in the UK gets really depressing, even though a modicum of interest is necessary.Comment
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It's very worrying how the BBC has become a mouthpiece for the government; that, and the lines in the Tory manifesto about shifting power from the judiciary to government represent a slide towards authoritarianism that parallels what's going on across the Atlantic. (Not to mention in Hungary, Poland, Brazil etc.) Just when the climate situation makes it necessary for planning and coordination of drastic measures on an international level, the logic of capitalism leads to the installation of administrations which wilfully ignore the problem while safeguarding the profits of their paymasters.Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
It's not that "a modicum of interest is necessary", it's that an enormous amount is at stake in this election, probably more than at any point in any of our lifetimes. It shouldn't be reduced to playground insults about this individual or that one being tossed back and forth.Comment
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I agree that things require more than a modicum of interest by the electorate at large, but the BBC is obsessive and biased. There is very obvious "fake news" on just about every side. The reason I posted the link about the rescue of one man from a very small island in a Kenyan river was to point out that there is real humanity in other parts of the world - something which it is quite hard to remember in our (for UK based readers) own not quite so small media obsessed island.Originally posted by Richard Barrett View PostComment
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It is beyond irony that Friday's murders were of philanthropists, by a potential beneficiary of redemptive process.
Somehow an emblem of the society we are now in.
The PM's exploitative, mendacious behaviour is chilling.Comment
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It looks very much as if we are going to have an even greater age divide than before in this election, and possibly a gender divide developing, as well as an evolving Urban/ small town-rural divide.
Solidarity seems to be in much shorter supply than one might hope in certain parts of the population.I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.
I am not a number, I am a free man.Comment
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Oh dear. How do we fix that? A cull of anyone over 65? That's me gone, then ......Originally posted by MrGongGong View PostComment
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I'm no fan of the current Labour party but find this is a hope for the futureOriginally posted by Dave2002 View Post
the youngsters I meet are much less tribal in their politics and aren't as wedded to the whole "in this band until you die" mentality
so if Labour ditch their new found enthusiasm for tackling climate change (for example) they will lose lots of supportComment
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