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  • Serial_Apologist
    Full Member
    • Dec 2010
    • 38013

    #16
    It's probably a generational thing.

    I think a suit without a tie looks incomplete; casual jacket? fine. I bought many ties in the 1960s, when ties were attractive; but this has not been the case now for at least 3 decades: the shiny ones look lousy, status symbols. The neat "slim jim" of the early 1960s when mod styles followed the Italians is more appropriate to the present day narrow lapelled jackets on suits and sports jackets, (though I do wish those jackets were long enough to cover the bum: why THAT focus of attention?? - halfway down from shoulders to shoes used to be the "measure" of taste and proportion - then along came the baggy "reduced overcoat" look in the late 1980s/early 1990s, so the fashion had to go 180 degrees in the opposite direction, of course - but that's another story ). Half the pleasure of acquring many DVDs of 1960s movies is reminding oneself that people knew how to dress at one time. The Rolling Stones looked cool with ties adorning their round tab collar shirts in the eary days when Mod was still progressive. There was a brief Mod revival in the early 1980s: Madness, etc. However, many shirts probably of today probably aren't designed to even do up at the neck - you'd probably strangle yourself trying to do up the top button. I'll wear ties in winter, just because I've got some nice ones ("Where did you get that?" people ask; "Victoria Boutique off Gloucdester Road in 1966, I tell them) so I might as well put 'em on - there's nothing wrong with adornment, is there? and in any case I don't go for the done up top button without tie - the French farmer look - just to stop cold draughts down my back. There's a shop down the side road next to Selfridges that sells knitted ties in interesting colours. Even Jon Snow wears ties that attract the eye - it's just a shame he does so with grey suits; but there again, suits could once be casual: now they're the must-have for a decent-salaried job, so I can understand the antipathy hereabouts.

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    • cloughie
      Full Member
      • Dec 2011
      • 22242

      #17
      Originally posted by Dave2002 View Post
      ‘A lot is just convention. Now I find that if I look at a group of “serious” men wearing ties I think they are ridiculous, and playing a silly game. OK - I do wear ties sometimes - but I can’t say there’s something intrinsically good, or obviously aesthetically pleasing about ties. I don’t do it myself - not so far anyway - but I don’t think that open neck with suits looks bad at all.

      Also, shirts are problematic. How many men wash and iron their shirts? I suspect not many. Shirts are significantly more labour intensive than more casual wear, and guess who is probably going to do the labour.

      Your comments have a rather chauvinistic tone I fear! You make assumptions there, Dave - So you do you iron your shirts, Dave? I've never found shirts problematic! Also I find collar-less shirts excellent, but they need care and ironing.

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      • Old Grumpy
        Full Member
        • Jan 2011
        • 3682

        #18
        I hate both suits and ties. No problem there then!

        OG

        "Baby boomer" generation, apparently.

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        • Serial_Apologist
          Full Member
          • Dec 2010
          • 38013

          #19
          Originally posted by cloughie View Post
          Your comments have a rather chauvinistic tone I fear! You make assumptions there, Dave - So you do you iron your shirts, Dave? I've never found shirts problematic! Also I find collar-less shirts excellent, but they need care and ironing.
          Ah - the 19th century peasant look, cloughie: fine, but it really needs some kind of neckerchief or cravat to complete the look. It's sad cravats have gone out of fashion: one thing the ruling classes used to have was dress sense: look at James Fox in The Servant (1963)!

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          • muzzer
            Full Member
            • Nov 2013
            • 1196

            #20
            It is deffo a convention. Obvs work shirts look awful without one but since when has good taste driven popular practice? I rarely felt the need after 2008, having been shackled in ill-fitting ones since school, apart from the university years of course. I was given a box of rather lovely expensive ones about a decade ago, which I never wear, and doubt I will ever need to. O tempura, o calimares.

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            • jayne lee wilson
              Banned
              • Jul 2011
              • 10711

              #21
              So here we are, the 1st Night of the Proms a few hours away and..... this is what this forum has come to.....

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              • LezLee
                Full Member
                • Apr 2019
                • 634

                #22
                Risking the wrath of other forumites, I'd just like to say I find ties at least as interesting as the Proms...

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                • cloughie
                  Full Member
                  • Dec 2011
                  • 22242

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
                  Ah - the 19th century peasant look, cloughie: fine, but it really needs some kind of neckerchief or cravat to complete the look. It's sad cravats have gone out of fashion: one thing the ruling classes used to have was dress sense: look at James Fox in The Servant (1963)!
                  No S_A, more of a 21st Century comfortable look, but I have thought of adding the cowboy neckwear!

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                  • Richard Tarleton

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
                    Ah - the 19th century peasant look, cloughie: fine, but it really needs some kind of neckerchief or cravat to complete the look. It's sad cravats have gone out of fashion: one thing the ruling classes used to have was dress sense: look at James Fox in The Servant (1963)!
                    Also hit men - Edward Fox in The Day of the Jackal

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                    • Bryn
                      Banned
                      • Mar 2007
                      • 24688

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
                      Ah - the 19th century peasant look, cloughie: fine, but it really needs some kind of neckerchief or cravat to complete the look. It's sad cravats have gone out of fashion: one thing the ruling classes used to have was dress sense: look at James Fox in The Servant (1963)!

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                      • edashtav
                        Full Member
                        • Jul 2012
                        • 3677

                        #26
                        I reckon Nick Robinson's throat decoration is a function of his cancer rather than a matter of whim or fashion. He deserves our support and sympathy, not criticism.

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                        • DracoM
                          Host
                          • Mar 2007
                          • 13009

                          #27
                          Nick Robinson was merely an example, NOT a 'case'. Multitudes of others do it.
                          AFAICS, the new de rigeur is to wear a suit and NO tie. And that I really do not get at all.
                          To wear a tie says what that makes it a no-no??

                          And this section of the Forum - Platform - specifically says it is for anything.

                          The Proms has its own suite of threads.

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                          • gurnemanz
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 7451

                            #28
                            Births, marriages, deaths and court appearances.

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                            • eighthobstruction
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 6474

                              #29
                              Originally posted by gurnemanz View Post
                              Births, marriages, deaths and court appearances.
                              ....spare fanbelt....
                              bong ching

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                              • Dave2002
                                Full Member
                                • Dec 2010
                                • 18062

                                #30
                                Originally posted by DracoM View Post
                                Nick Robinson was merely an example, NOT a 'case'. Multitudes of others do it.
                                AFAICS, the new de rigeur is to wear a suit and NO tie. And that I really do not get at all.
                                It’s just a shift in convention.

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