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  • Eine Alpensinfonie
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    • Nov 2010
    • 20542

    #46
    Originally posted by LezLee View Post
    It's possible he simply has a 'blind spot'. I was taught violin from aged 8 - 10 and was told I was good, but however much my teacher tried he never managed to teach me notation or any sort of theory. I simply looked at the music and knew which note on which line or space represented which finger on which string! I tried again as a teenager but still didn't 'get' it.
    I could teach you to read music. Not that I'm offering . There are many different approaches, including the one that you appear to have adopted.

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    • Ein Heldenleben
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      • Apr 2014
      • 6112

      #47
      Macca dreamt the tune for Yesterday - a song that has been performed and played an estimated 7 million times . When you can do that whether you can notate music or not is irrelevant. His compositional style is improvisatory - usually at the piano or strumming a guitar. Learning to notate might just kill a very golden goose. To be honest he could hire the entire composition departments of all the London music colleges to transcribe for him and not even notice the dent in his bank balance .

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      • ferneyhoughgeliebte
        Gone fishin'
        • Sep 2011
        • 30163

        #48
        Originally posted by Heldenleben View Post
        Learning to notate might just kill a very golden goose.
        I think that that particular Golden Goose died, was stuffed, ciooked and eaten at least 40 years ago.
        [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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        • Ein Heldenleben
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          • Apr 2014
          • 6112

          #49
          Still earning him millions in royalties .....

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          • ferneyhoughgeliebte
            Gone fishin'
            • Sep 2011
            • 30163

            #50
            Originally posted by Heldenleben View Post
            Still earning him millions in royalties .....
            ... and deservedly so. (And would have been many, many times more if Mr Epstein had been a bit more savvy about the Music Business.)

            But, money aside, to live and work all the years since and know that your best work is over decades ago ...
            [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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            • Ein Heldenleben
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              • Apr 2014
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              #51
              Like Sibelius and Elgar ?

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              • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                Gone fishin'
                • Sep 2011
                • 30163

                #52
                Originally posted by Heldenleben View Post
                Like Sibelius and Elgar ?
                Not really - they were both 60 when they came to a halt: McCartney was half that age. (And he carried on regardless!)
                [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                • Ein Heldenleben
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                  • Apr 2014
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                  #53
                  I think he just ran out of tunes...

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                  • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                    Gone fishin'
                    • Sep 2011
                    • 30163

                    #54
                    Originally posted by Heldenleben View Post
                    I think he just ran out of tunes...
                    ... amd harmonies: I think you're right. I would say (well, I would, wouldn't I?) that, had he learnt notation in his twenties, it would have helped him explore new areas of Music beyond what his restricted experience kept him stuck in, with ever-diminishing returns.
                    [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                    • Ein Heldenleben
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                      • Apr 2014
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                      #55
                      Or it might have encouraged him to write another Oratorio....

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                      • Joseph K
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                        • Oct 2017
                        • 7765

                        #56
                        Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                        ... amd harmonies: I think you're right. I would say (well, I would, wouldn't I?) that, had he learnt notation in his twenties, it would have helped him explore new areas of Music beyond what his restricted experience kept him stuck in, with ever-diminishing returns.
                        Apparently Allan Holdsworth couldn't read music, but just check out how harmonically lush (in his mid-fifties) his music could be -

                        alan holdsworth-uploaded in HD at http://www.TunesToTube.com


                        Just sayin'

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                        • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                          Gone fishin'
                          • Sep 2011
                          • 30163

                          #57
                          Originally posted by Heldenleben View Post
                          Or it might have encouraged him to write another Oratorio....


                          No - must be positive: it would certainly have empowered him to actually "write" his first one - and it might even have been worth listening to.
                          [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                          • Dave2002
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                            • Dec 2010
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                            #58
                            Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                            But, money aside, to live and work all the years since and know that your best work is over decades ago ...
                            Doesn't that apply to most of us, whether we have worked in music, or "succeeded", or whatever?

                            Some people obviously ignored those warnings - Bruckner, Verdi and maybe a few more. Whether what they wrote in their advanced years is their best work - well perhaps not always - but they did it anyway.

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                            • Ein Heldenleben
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                              • Apr 2014
                              • 6112

                              #59
                              Re the ‘Oratorio ‘ I think Macca should leave that sort of thing to Janacek really...

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                              • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                                Gone fishin'
                                • Sep 2011
                                • 30163

                                #60
                                Originally posted by Joseph K View Post
                                Apparently Allan Holdsworth couldn't read music, but just check out how harmonically lush (in his mid-fifties) his music could be -
                                alan holdsworth-uploaded in HD at http://www.TunesToTube.com

                                Just sayin'
                                Oh, but there's a very good reason for that, Joseph.


                                And just as soon as I can think up what it is, I'll let you know.


                                (Holdsworth is very good, isn't he.)
                                [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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