Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse

[cloughie]

But he still is an arse

In your not very humble opinion - I guess you don’t do humble!

[MrGongGong]

In your not very humble opinion - I guess you don’t do humble!

I don't make up shit about music like mr McCartney

I'm sure he is a good bass player BUT much of what he has said about music is bullshit

[doversoul1]

I don't make up shit about music like mr McCartney

I'm sure he is a good bass player BUT much of what he has said about music is bullshit

I thought you believed that music was many different things.

[MrGongGong]

I thought you believed that music was many different things.

It is

But someone who has spent his entire life working in studios with other musicians who are reading off parts and the supposed "composer" of this music pretends that he has NO understanding of what they are doing is bullshit

Music IS many things
but McCartney's music relies on other people who have more skills than he does (Alan Civil for example: doh:) to realise it
he lacks any humility or respect for those who make his music happen
and encourages myths about musicking which encourage willful ignorance

I do find it really puzzling, most musicians when encountering musicians from other worlds are intrigued enough to want to find out about it BUT he seems totally oblivious and insists that HIS way is somehow the only way to be......

I know "most" people think he is great but I don't buy it....

[Richard Tarleton]

It is

But someone who has spent his entire life working in studios with other musicians who are reading off parts and the supposed "composer" of this music pretends that he has NO understanding of what they are doing is bullshit

Music IS many things
but McCartney's music relies on other people who have more skills than he does (Alan Civil for example: doh:) to realise it
he lacks any humility or respect for those who make his music happen
and encourages myths about musicking which encourage willful ignorance

I do find it really puzzling, most musicians when encountering musicians from other worlds are intrigued enough to want to find out about it BUT he seems totally oblivious and insists that HIS way is somehow the only way to be......

I know "most" people think he is great but I don't buy it....

I'm curious about the process - I knew he didn't read or write music.... so when it says he's "writing" a musical, I take it he's humming a tune, and relying on others to notate it, harmonise, orchestrate/write instrumental parts?.... Lee Hall (it says here) received some "demos" - so does he sing and play by ear - on the piano? - and record the result?

Collins defines the word naff as meaning very unfashionable or unsophisticated, Merriam-Webster as lacking in style or good taste : vulgar and unfashionable, the Urban Dictionary as uncool, tacky, unfashionable, worthless.. Naff would seem (to me) perfectly to describe the exercise of making a musical out of this film/story, the original being sentimental enough without the addition of a load of cheesy songs - they would be cheesy, wouldn't they, knowing PMcC? . For what it's worth, I'm with MrGG

[cloughie]

you might be taking me too seriously

But he still is an arse

Did you actually READ what I (and Alpie) wrote ?

Or are you so in thrall to ignore anyone who questions his sainthood?

"Unreasonable" ? I don't think it makes any difference what I think anyway ...which is fine

Who mentioned sainthood? I’m just trying to put a little balance in favour of someone whom, for some reason you intensely dislike.

Yes I have read what you and Alpie wrote - oh - and don’t call me chum!

Oh and I don’t believe for one moment that McC does not read music!

[antongould]

Who mentioned sainthood? I’m just trying to put a little balance in favour of someone whom, for some reason you intensely dislike.

Yes I have read what you and Alpie wrote - oh - and don’t call me chum!

Oh and I don’t believe for one moment that McC does not read music!

..... and I’m with cloughers - to me a man who has, by whatever means and with whatever help, composed, IMVVHO, some of the best tunes of my lifetime can’t be all bad .....

[Bryn]

..... and I’m with cloughers to me a man who has, by whatever means and with whatever help, composed some, IMVVHO, of the best tunes of my lifetime can’t be all bad .....

Eh? I thought this discussion was about Paul McCartney.

[gradus]

Why on earth should Mr McC's alleged inability to read/write music fluently and his alleged indifference/disregard (or whatever the complaints are) of the skills and invention of other musicians excite such vitriolic hatred. Gifted people are not always likeable in their professional life and if you don't like his songs ok, but please spare us the invective.

[LMcD]

Why on earth should Mr McC's alleged inability to read/write music fluently and his alleged indifference/disregard (or whatever the complaints are) of the skills and invention of other musicians excite such vitriolic hatred. Gifted people are not always likeable in their professional life and if you don't like his songs ok, but please spare us the invective.

Quite! If some of you can't play nicely together, then I shall have to call in Slade Prison's Officer Barraclough to calm things down...

[antongould]

Eh? I thought this discussion was about Paul McCartney.

Note the IMVVHO good sir .....

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

Oh and I don’t believe for one moment that McC does not read music!

But he has claimed this on several occasions throughout his life, cloughie - why would he lie? (Irving Berlin was similarly non-literate.)

https://globalnews.ca/news/4503916/paul-mccartney-cant-read-music/

And when such prominent figures make such public comments, it can have a terrible influence - people can persuade themselves that Music Literacy might be harmful to their "freedom of expression". A good teacher should gently point out that, whilst an exceptionally gifted Musician can come up with Yesterday without the benefit of knowing how to write it down, this very illiteracy will prevent their being able to develop such exceptional skills, and they end up producing The Liverpool Oratorio.

[cloughie]

But he has claimed this on several occasions throughout his life, cloughie - why would he lie? (Irving Berlin was similarly non-literate.)

https://globalnews.ca/news/4503916/paul-mccartney-cant-read-music/

And when such prominent figures make such public comments, it can have a terrible influence - people can persuade themselves that Music Literacy might be harmful to their "freedom of expression". A good teacher should gently point out that, whilst an exceptionally gifted Musician can come up with Yesterday without the benefit of knowing how to write it down, this very illiteracy will prevent their being able to develop such exceptional skills, and they end up producing The Liverpool Oratorio.

I did say read music, not the same as having the more advanced skills of being able to write music! I think that Irving Berlin's limitation was being limited to writing in C but having an instrument to transpose a good tune that had come into his head!

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

I did say read music, not the same as having the more advanced skills of being able to write music! I think that Irving Berlin's limitation was being limited to writing in C but having an instrument to transpose a good tune that had come into his head!

But he himself claims that he "cannot read Music" - that's the point.

IIRC, Berlin's piano skill was very limited (he had a special instrument manufactured with a lever that "enabled" him to change key as he was "playing"), and he could neither read, nor write Musical notation.

[teamsaint]

People with real influence should be very careful about what they say.

And we should be very careful about the importance in the significance we place on their words.