Dodds's 14,995 surplus votes (i.e. those in excess of the quota) will now be redistributed pro rata as per the second preferences expressed. 'Simples'.
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This may in turn lead to an interesting definition of who 'the people' are. The winners? In which case, are they all included among 'the people' until the winners are established, and then they cease to be among 'the people' once they have become 'losers'?Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View PostIt isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.Comment
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What? No NI? I know that the different (more proportional) voting system there is not directly comparable, but the NI voters do contribute towards the overall vote. Including them would lift the anti-Brexit proportion somewhat higher.Originally posted by MrGongGong View PostComment
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... the figures in Mr GongGong's #169 look at first glance encouraging for the anti-brexit cause.
But if we assume that the great majority of the Tory vote wd go to the pro-brexit movement, and that the Labour vote is split between pro- and anti-, then I think the result is really too close to call...
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Originally posted by french frank View Post
What "one is", or what, collectively "we" "are" (as one of the leading character's in Aldous Huxley's "Island" would put it!) is always provisional, according to Buddhist (and quite a lot of other disciplines') thinking. As Stockhausen says in a brief aside to his colleague in the Third Region of "Hymnen": "We have to go another dimension deeper".
(This is not particularly helpful maybe, in the context of this discussion; but as is often said, questions of this kind are context-determined).Comment
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Except that "vox pop" appears to be parrotting the right-wing media interpretation of Labour's unpopularity by saying that it is the leadership's ambivalence over whether brexit or a second referendum is a bad thing. No surprise there then! On the other hand, were Labour to come out decisively, either way, on these twin issues, the implication would be of support returning to them.Originally posted by vinteuil View Post.
... the figures in Mr GongGong's #169 look at first glance encouraging for the anti-brexit cause.
But if we assume that the great majority of the Tory vote wd go to the pro-brexit movement, and that the Labour vote is split between pro- and anti-, then I think the result is really too close to call...
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A pedant writes: you mean the Second Region.Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
One frequently comes across people complaining that one thing or another is "undemocratic", which seems to mean anything the user wants it to.Comment
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Being "undemocratic" about ANYTHING is worse than infaticide it would seemOriginally posted by Richard Barrett View Post
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After the 4th stage of counting, still only the DUP have passed the quota. Well, one was hardly expecting many of their surplus votes to go to SF, or even, come to that, the Alliance Party, though a few did, in fact, go to the latter. It's anybody's guess how the SDLP second preferences will go.Comment
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What happened to the young first-time voters, supposedly all pro-EU? Didn't they bother to vote or decided to vote Brexit?My life, each morning when I dress, is four and twenty hours less. (J Richardson)Comment
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Looks like the majority of them voted for the parties which gained the higher proportion of the votes, i.e. Lib Dem, Green, SNP, PC, Ch UK, SF, SDLP and Alliance.Originally posted by Pianorak View PostComment
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What we know from the pre-election opinion polls is that a substantial number of normally Labour voters opted for either the Liberal Democrats or the Greens; we also know that a majority of Labour voters are pro-Remain, and a majority of Labour MPs are pro-Remain. The result would indicate that they were dissatisfied with Labour's message. We have an excellent (fiercely pro-Remain) local MP tweeting that canvassing had never been so disheartening for him as a member of the Labour party, with followers lining up to express support but saying they had to vote for a party whose message was clear: Remain.Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
For the Tories this was almost a mirror image: voters dissatisfied with the government's handling of Brexit flocked to the Brexit Party, Tory members must be pro-Brexit if they favour Johnson as next leader, Tory MPs are split.
It would seem perverse not to conclude that both parties were on the wrong side for their natural support. May and Corbyn both let their parties down, May through incompetence, Corbyn through an obstinate disregard for views other than his own, against his MPs, conference, the membership, the voters. He could not bring himself to be clear and that's why he was wittering on about other policy issues. If you believe that Corbyn was the only one in step, you might excuse him.It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.Comment
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Anti-Brexit gets about 2% more, pro-Brexit 1.6%; so 42.4% to35.5%Originally posted by Bryn View PostIt isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.Comment
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