Greta Thunberg at EU

[jayne lee wilson]

There is hope, and younger people help to give us that hope.....
So encourage them, yourselves, and each other, all you can....

[Padraig]

There is hope, and younger people help to give us that hope.....
So encourage them, yourselves, and each other, all you can....

Greta, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Jayne Lee Wilson - have I left anything out?

[doversoul1]

Greta, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Jayne Lee Wilson - have I left anything out?

Isn’t Greta Thunberg implying that it is the issues that matters and not individuals no matter how attractive and exciting s/he may be?

[Padraig]

Isn’t Greta Thunberg implying that it is the issues that matters and not individuals no matter how attractive and exciting s/he may be?

I think GT is saying explicitly that the issue of climate change is real, that the science is convincing, yet actions fall behind words. AOC with the Green New Deal has taken the issue as far as the US Presidential Campaign. And JLW has indicated that we are all involved in this youth-led revolution on the grounds that those of us who are no longer youthful once were.

[Dave2002]

Greta, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Jayne Lee Wilson - have I left anything out?

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm9936326/..._=nm_ov_bio_sm

or maybe AOC

[Sir Velo]

There is hope, and younger people help to give us that hope.....
So encourage them, yourselves, and each other, all you can....

But Jayne, there have always been younger people, and every generation people say the same thing - "Oh the young people are the future etc". Then they get jobs, get married, have kids, have mortgages and somehow those young ideals don't seem quite so pressing.

[Serial_Apologist]

But Jayne, there have always been younger people, and every generation people say the same thing - "Oh the young people are the future etc". Then they get jobs, get married, have kids, have mortgages and somehow those young ideals don't seem quite so pressing.

For which Marcuse's term was embourgeoisement.

I recall some on the Left in the 1970s reminding us of Marx's observation that students made poor leaders for revolutionary change because the careers and lifestyles for which they were qualifying removed them from that particular arena and would realign them to the status quo. That was as may be; today's students (and young people in general) are coming to realise that the future for which they are being set up socially might not come about. And their parents' generation no longer appear to share that aspiration in common with previous generations for them to do better than themselves, preferring to secure for themselves the gains fought for by predecessors by voting for the status quo in its most divisive and destructive forms. What message - rhetorical question - does this deliver about hope, unless the system changes, or if (as I believe) that system is innately inimical to change, it is replaced?

[teamsaint]

But Jayne, there have always been younger people, and every generation people say the same thing - "Oh the young people are the future etc". Then they get jobs, get married, have kids, have mortgages and somehow those young ideals don't seem quite so pressing.

A difference now though is that those things that were more or less taken for granted , especially by the middle classes, property ownership, reliable pensions, career paths etc , have been made much less available, more expensive, or non existent.
State pensions are roundly discounted by the younger people I know as being unlikely to exist as we know them now. And of cousrse many on average salaries are paying effectively 40 % tax on some their earnings All of which is likely to lead to a generational change in voter habits.

Sadly, there seems little evidence of inter generational solidarity, and I mean in both directions.

[jayne lee wilson]

But Jayne, there have always been younger people, and every generation people say the same thing - "Oh the young people are the future etc". Then they get jobs, get married, have kids, have mortgages and somehow those young ideals don't seem quite so pressing.

Hence my second line...... I've campaigned more in the last few years - letters to MPs, signing petitions, general agitation and consciousness-raising with those I know (who are often frustrated at their own lack of knowledge, and want links & sources they can believe) than in my whole life....

Point taken (TS' vital points too), but I really think it is different now, a different less-secure generation with vastly more efficient forms of communication & sharing.... the forthcoming election might reveal that... pity there wasn't more pressure to give 16-year-olds-olds the vote though.

[Sir Velo]

Hence my second line...... I've campaigned more in the last few years - letters to MPs, signing petitions, general agitation and consciousness-raising with those I know (who are often frustrated at their own lack of knowledge, and want links & sources they can believe) than in my whole life....

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So the oldies are the future! Forget the young - what do they know? They haven't lived... etc!

[Serial_Apologist]

A difference now though is that those things that were more or less taken for granted , especially by the middle classes, property ownership, reliable pensions, career paths etc , have been made much less available, more expensive, or non existent.
State pensions are roundly discounted by the younger people I know as being unlikely to exist as we know them now. And of cousrse many on average salaries are paying effectively 40 % tax on some their earnings All of which is likely to lead to a generational change in voter habits.

Sadly, there seems little evidence of inter generational solidarity, and I mean in both directions.

Exactly.

[Serial_Apologist]

So the oldies are the future! Forget the young - what do they know? They haven't lived... etc!

Which is precisely NOT what jayne, teamsaint and myself are saying!

[Serial_Apologist]

Hence my second line...... I've campaigned more in the last few years - letters to MPs, signing petitions, general agitation and consciousness-raising with those I know (who are often frustrated at their own lack of knowledge, and want links & sources they can believe) than in my whole life....

Point taken (TS' vital points too), but I really think it is different now, a different less-secure generation with vastly more efficient forms of communication & sharing.... the forthcoming election might reveal that... pity there wasn't more pressure to give 16-year-olds-olds the vote though.

Exactly.

[Padraig]

or maybe AOC

Nice one, Dave2002. Trump would love that - he's a wine expert as well as not being a fan of this AOC:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGVW9vJ773k

[Serial_Apologist]

Nice one, Dave2002. Trump would love that - he's a wine expert as well as not being a fan of this AOC:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGVW9vJ773k

I thought it stood for Any Old Cobblers!