Go paperless - Not!

[oddoneout]

ABsolutely. I think there must be a great game for each company trying to hide the most important features of each receipt - the date, the location, the total amount. I cannot understand why the major features are not always in the same places.

They will each have bought different packages to run their tills etc; ease of use for customers is very unlikely to be on the specification, and for the staff who actually have to use it their requirements will be given low priority as well. The company that does the best promo and price package gets the order. The people making the decision probably know little about either group of users, and any industry standard that does exist will be to ensure legal compliance rather than end-user usefulness.
MrGG, while I sympathise with wanting all the info on one side, increasing the paper usage has implications. The till rolls are expensive, and using more rather than less paper goes against the current zeitgeist of being seen to make environmental issues a company consideration.The fact that doing the 'green' thing by reducing till roll consumption also benefits the company is a win-win - probably wouldn't happen without that pay-off?

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

I have an iPad Pro and I can assure you that for pieces which don't fit on one sheet of a4 - which is most piano music - that without some extra effort the iPad versions can be a real pain. I am now playing more regularly with small groups, and having to prepare the music beforehand for "page turns" is a real pain. I've seen professionals do this quite easily, but with a foot switch, and maybe they use special software to get it all to work. I have taken to putting pdfs into Papers or Pages, or sometimes into Photos - but it can be a right faff trying to sort things out in real time whilst sight reading and trying to play. Paper still has a lot of advantages.

I was discussing this recently with a harpist, who always uses an iPad Pro in performance. She said the only thing that worried her was running out of power before the end.

[Bryn]

I was discussing this recently with a harpist, who always uses an iPad Pro in performance. She said the only thing that worried her was running out of power before the end.

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[Triforium]

I was discussing this recently with a harpist, who always uses an iPad Pro in performance. She said the only thing that worried her was running out of power before the end.

Gimmick. I dislike the reflected light on the performer's face - especially if they are wearing glasses.

[Bryn]

Gimmick. I dislike the reflected light on the performer's face - especially if they are wearing glasses.

And you miss out on the page turn sonic accompaniment; such an important aspect of a performance.

[pastoralguy]

Gimmick. I dislike the reflected light on the performer's face - especially if they are wearing glasses.

We'll, not for practicing musicians, Teiforium. Trying playing a Sibelius symphony where one seems to be turning pages every few seconds or so. Or, as I hope will happen in the future, a string section where the leader can simply change the bowing and it'll appear in all the other parts without tedious rubbings out of previous parts or worn bits of page where erasers have been applied too often. And let's not forget those incredibly smelly Ricordi parts that seem to have absorbed the odours of the last 100 years! And being able to make cuts without resorting to big bits of paper. (Every 'last night' of a run is the time all those pencil marks have to be rubbed out!)



And it's a boom for players with defective eyesight who can enlarge sections to suit their requirements. Not forgetting that an entire repertoire can be taken on tour instead of heavy baskets of orchestral parts.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

We'll, not for practicing musicians, Teiforium. Trying playing a Sibelius symphony where one seems to be turning pages every few seconds or so. Or, as I hope will happen in the future, a string section where the leader can simply change the bowing and it'll appear in all the other parts without tedious rubbings out of previous parts or worn bits of page where erasers have been applied too often. And let's not forget those incredibly smelly Ricordi parts that seem to have absorbed the odours of the last 100 years! And being able to make cuts without resorting to big bits of paper. (Every 'last night' of a run is the time all those pencil marks have to be rubbed out!)



And it's a boom for players with defective eyesight who can enlarge sections to suit their requirements. Not forgetting that an entire repertoire can be taken on tour instead of heavy baskets of orchestral parts.

- and avoiding those moments where the page just won't stay turned over, and the performer adds extra percussion by have to keep swatting the part to prevent an unwanted repeat. (And repeats are much easier with i-Pads, too.) And the services of an unprepared page turner are dispensed with, too - none of that frantic nodding - and on occasion, ferocious shaking - of the head from the pianist at the turner who's lost where they are in the score.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

- and avoiding those moments where the page just won't stay turned over, and the performer adds extra percussion by have to keep swatting the part to prevent an unwanted repeat. (And repeats are much easier with i-Pads, too.) And the services of an unprepared page turner are dispensed with, too - none of that frantic nodding - and on occasion, ferocious shaking - of the head from the pianist at the turner who's lost where they are in the score.

Actually, on re-reading that, it could be that concerts might be a lot less fun for audiences in the future!

[Bryn]

Just to mention, Windows music display and page turning software and associated hardware also exist.

[MrGongGong]

They will each have bought different packages to run their tills etc; ease of use for customers is very unlikely to be on the specification, and for the staff who actually have to use it their requirements will be given low priority as well. The company that does the best promo and price package gets the order. The people making the decision probably know little about either group of users, and any industry standard that does exist will be to ensure legal compliance rather than end-user usefulness.
MrGG, while I sympathise with wanting all the info on one side, increasing the paper usage has implications. The till rolls are expensive, and using more rather than less paper goes against the current zeitgeist of being seen to make environmental issues a company consideration.The fact that doing the 'green' thing by reducing till roll consumption also benefits the company is a win-win - probably wouldn't happen without that pay-off?

Hummm I'm not convinced
I frequently have to scan and often print the receipts which are two-sided
how much energy/paper does that use ? (Ok I know most people don't even need a physical receipt in the first place)

As someone who frequently works with multiple computers in educational establishments, I would say that one of the biggest barriers to people actually being able to do something interesting and creative with them is the amount of pointless "choice" that folks have.

[MrGongGong]

Just to mention, Windows music display and page turning software and associated hardware also exist.

I'm sure it does
Do you have to spend hours messing about with drivers like with Windows audio ?

[oddoneout]

Hummm I'm not convinced
I frequently have to scan and often print the receipts which are two-sided
how much energy/paper does that use ? (Ok I know most people don't even need a physical receipt in the first place)

As someone who frequently works with multiple computers in educational establishments, I would say that one of the biggest barriers to people actually being able to do something interesting and creative with them is the amount of pointless "choice" that folks have.

Ah, but you see that's the clever bit from the company's point of view. They aren't doing it so they can claim materials/energy reduction, add to their green credentials; the fact that such matters have merely been shifted elsewhere is not their problem.

[Bryn]

I'm sure it does
Do you have to spend hours messing about with drivers like with Windows audio ?

No idea, I don't use any such device. I do find switching audio routing when using QOBUZ, simplicity itself. There again. for much listening from a laptop, I use an external USB DAC.

[Dave2002]

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Interesting that. The iPad Pros usually give at least 8 hours, but one does have to remember to charge them occasionally. A professional could have a significant problem with one with only an hour or two extra charge left.

I have a fairly cheap battery based charger from Lidl, which I have used with gen 1 iPads. Not sure how long it would last with an iPad Pro. Mine isn’t one of the really cheap ones, which have hardly any oomph, but a slight more expensive one which will go for significantly longer - but I’m not sure about coupling with an iPad Pro. I’ll try it!

I was hoping some one would post a link to Apple page turning software - ideally specifically for music, but perhaps doesn’t have to be. What do iPad Pro users use?

[Dave2002]

They will each have bought different packages to run their tills etc; ease of use for customers is very unlikely to be on the specification, and for the staff who actually have to use it their requirements will be given low priority as well. The company that does the best promo and price package gets the order. The people making the decision probably know little about either group of users, and any industry standard that does exist will be to ensure legal compliance rather than end-user usefulness.
MrGG, while I sympathise with wanting all the info on one side, increasing the paper usage has implications. The till rolls are expensive, and using more rather than less paper goes against the current zeitgeist of being seen to make environmental issues a company consideration.The fact that doing the 'green' thing by reducing till roll consumption also benefits the company is a win-win - probably wouldn't happen without that pay-off?

You may well be right, but that wouldn’t stop companies adopting a “sensible” standard, with all the summary information at the top or the bottom etc.

Searching for the date is usually a complete pain, yet it should be almost immediate. I think it’s a plot!