Only a hundred piano quintets

[Sydney Grew]

I have been seeking out as many piano quintets (piano and strings) as I can find.

So far I have found only about sixty of them, produced by fifty-four composers:

https://newartmusic.createaforum.com/piano-quirtet(te)s/

Of piano quartets there must exist, I estimate, around double that number - something like two hundred.

And the count of string quartets will probably be several thousand.

I prefer the sound of a piano quintet, so I wonder what is the reason for these differences?

[Bryn]

A rose by any other name . . .

"Piano and String Quartet" and "Piano, Violin, Viola, Cello" by Morton Feldman are particularly fine examples of works for those very combinations of instruments composed in fairly recent times.

[Lat-Literal]

I have been seeking out as many piano quintets (piano and strings) as I can find.

So far I have found only about sixty of them, produced by fifty-four composers:

https://newartmusic.createaforum.com/piano-quirtet(te)s/

Of piano quartets there must exist, I estimate, around double that number - something like two hundred.

And the count of string quartets will probably be several thousand.

I prefer the sound of a piano quintet, so I wonder what is the reason for these differences?

Off the top of my head, Vierne.

Nice to see Cras on your list!

Oh, I see there are three pages of it - Vierne is on the third!

[Lat-Literal]

Certainly there is something in famille Casadesus.

Robert!

…...and on double checking, Paul Le Flem.

[Lat-Literal]

I'm partial to classical piano music.

So I'm going on hunches and checking my CDs for piano composers and then going on to Google. I have Sergio Azvedo among my CDs. That name did not produce a piano quintet either there - the CD is Portuguese Piano Trios - or on Google but what did come up on Google was one by Fernando d'Azvedo e Silva, published in 1905, but I don't know who he is.

The same year - Kapralova - I do have music by her.

I also have Henrique Oswald who has a piano quintet.

Definitely Amy Beach, George Chadwick, Arthur Foote...….and John Alden Carpenter and Walter Piston.

Oh yes - Elena Kats-Chernin.

Carl Vine.

Bartok Ryelandt. Glass.

I will leave it there for now but may come back to it!

[richardfinegold]

I have been seeking out as many piano quintets (piano and strings) as I can find.

So far I have found only about sixty of them, produced by fifty-four composers:

https://newartmusic.createaforum.com/piano-quirtet(te)s/

Of piano quartets there must exist, I estimate, around double that number - something like two hundred.

And the count of string quartets will probably be several thousand.

I prefer the sound of a piano quintet, so I wonder what is the reason for these differences?

Haydn and Beethoven wrote many String Quartets but zero Piano Quintets. Perhaps if you are so eager to change the ratio you could swap the Guitar for the Piano and accept the Boccherini Guitar Quintets. And if you start admitting Piano Quartets, another trove of masterpieces enter the fray

[edashtav]

Percy Whitlock

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

Haydn and Beethoven wrote many String Quartets but zero Piano Quintets. Perhaps if you are so eager to change the ratio you could swap the Guitar for the Piano and accept the Boccherini Guitar Quintets. And if you start admitting Piano Quartets, another trove of masterpieces enter the fray

IIRC, rfg, the Boccherini Guitar Quintets were actually themselves the composer's own arrangements of some of his Piano Quintets (Piano & S4tet).

I've often wondered why the ensemble didn't "catch on" until Schumann - especially given the number of Piano Quartets, and the Piano & Wind Quintets in late 18th Century Music. Perhaps one reason might be an inbalance between a string quartet and the earlier pianos - in Haydn's earlier Piano Trios, for example, the 'cello line mostly doubles the left hand of the piano part to strengthen the line with the added treble clef part - maybe an extra two violins and a viola as well as the piano right hand just put too much "weight" on that "end" of the compass?

This is just idle speculation, of course - and it doesn't explain why Beethoven didn't think to combine the two principal media of his last works (although he may have done, given time: he was only 56 when he died, after all).

[edashtav]

Eugene Goossens

[edashtav]

Erno Dohnanyi

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Malcolm Williamson fp Birmingham Art Gallery 23 March 1968

[edashtav]

Roy Harris Piano Quintet.... rather long with one of its movements unusually called "cadenza"

[edashtav]

did
I see
E.Bloch's Jewish inflected Piano 5-tet?
I recall that Josef Holbrooke's F min. Piano Quintet op 46 "In Memoriam" was termed #4, but without evidence one can never trust what Josef said!

[vinteuil]

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... I think we've had a thread on this before.

... yes - and there are those JC and CPE Keyboard Quintets, with k'board and various.
And what about the Boccherini piano quintets [ "per forte-piano, 2 violini, viola, e violoncello" ] op 56 and op 57 of 1797 and 1798/99 -

http://amzn.eu/dtSc3yl

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... a thread started by ahinton :

http://www.for3.org/forums/showthread.php?17376-Piano-Quintets&p=627152#post627152

[Lat-Literal]

Sgambati.

Bowen.

Rawsthorne.

Coleridge-Taylor.

Borodin.