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  • french frank
    Administrator/Moderator
    • Feb 2007
    • 29932

    Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
    I don't think so - I would refer to one of those two women as "my Mother", not "my co-mother-in-law"?
    But wouldn't they refer to each other as a co-mother-in-law?
    It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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    • Pulcinella
      Host
      • Feb 2014
      • 10723

      Originally posted by french frank View Post
      But wouldn't they refer to each other as a co-mother-in-law?
      I wondered too, but now get it:
      The mother of the partner of greenilex's child.

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      • Bryn
        Banned
        • Mar 2007
        • 24688

        Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
        I wondered too, but now get it:
        The mother of the partner of greenilex's child.
        Co-mother-in-law definition: (uncommon) The mother of one's son- or daughter-in-law; that is, the mother-in-law of one's son or daughter, or, the mother of one spouse in relation to the parents of the other spouse.

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        • ferneyhoughgeliebte
          Gone fishin'
          • Sep 2011
          • 30163

          Originally posted by french frank View Post
          But wouldn't they refer to each other as a co-mother-in-law?
          Ah, yes! So Greeni wasn't referring to her own partner's mother(s), but to her offspring's partner's mother!
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          • ferneyhoughgeliebte
            Gone fishin'
            • Sep 2011
            • 30163

            Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
            I wondered too, but now get it:
            The mother of the partner of greenilex's child.
            (I think!)
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            • greenilex
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 1626

              Apologies for the opacity - not deliberate, it is just the way I have always thought of my daughter-in-law’s mother. I suppose strictly speaking we are members of two separate but related families, at least in the European kinship system.

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              • french frank
                Administrator/Moderator
                • Feb 2007
                • 29932

                Originally posted by greenilex View Post
                Apologies for the opacity - not deliberate, it is just the way I have always thought of my daughter-in-law’s mother. I suppose strictly speaking we are members of two separate but related families, at least in the European kinship system.
                Just a slight educational detour from our enjoyment of ferney's overview of Today's interesting facts.
                It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                • Study Session
                  Full Member
                  • Oct 2014
                  • 33

                  Originally posted by gurnemanz View Post
                  "Your Concert Choice: listener requests" ... not averse to a spot of brazen populism even then.
                  To do Auntie justice, Your Concert Choice was fully-billed in Radio Times from September '69, with the chosen recordings and approximate times.

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                  • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                    Gone fishin'
                    • Sep 2011
                    • 30163

                    March 3rd

                    St Cunigunde's Day - the patroness of Luxembourg and Lithuania, and Holy Roman Empress (by marriage to Henry II of Bavaria - himself known as Saint King Henry the Exuberant; they had no children, and it is widely believed that theirs was a "white" marriage) and regent to the empire for the months between her husband's death, and the accession of his successor, Conrad II. She became a Nun the following year, and was renowned throughout her life for her charitable acts.

                    And it's also World Hearing Day, a campaign by the World Health Organisation Office for the Prevention of Blindness and Deafness. Each year has a different "theme", and for 2019, it's "Check Your Hearing".

                    Also on this Date: the Statute of Rhuddlan "incorporates" English Common Law in Wales, the Principality becoming "united and annexed" to the King of England (1284); Haydn's Clock Symphony is premiered in London (1794); Mendelssohn's Scottish Symphony is premiered in Leipzig, conducted by the Composer (1842); Schumann's revision of his D minor Symphony (#4) is premiered in Dusseldorff, conducted by the Composer (1853); England and France jointly declare war on China, beginning the Second Opium War (1857); Alexander II proclaims Emancipation of Russian Serfs (1861); the Hong Kong & Shanghai Banking Corporation [HSBC] opens (1865); Brahms' Alto Rhapsodyis premiered in Jena (1870); Bizet's Carmen is premiered in Paris (1875); the Treaty od San Stefano grants Bulgaria its independence from the Ottoman Empire (1878 - the Treaty never becomes activated, and is rescinded after three months); the American Telephone and Telegraph Corporation [AT&T] is founded by Alexander Graham Bell in New York (1885); Anne Sullivan arrives in Alabama to begin teaching Helen Keller (1887); Strauss' Ein Heldenleben ispremiered in Frankfurt-am-Main, conducted by the Composer (1899); Kaiser Wilhelm II makes the first recording of a political document (1904); the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk is signed (1918); TIME magazine id first published (1923); the United States adopts the Star-Spangled Banner - originally an English Glee Club drinking song - as its National Anthem (1931); Oil is doscovered in Saudi Arabia for the first time (1938); Mahatma Gandhi begins a hunger strike in protest against unjust British rule (1939); Webern's Variations for Orchestra is premiered in Winterthur, conducted by Scherchen (1943); Samuel Barber's Second Symphony is premiered in Boston, conducted by Koussevitsky, with the composer, in his army uniform, attending (1944); Pioneer 4, the first space probe to enter solar orbit, is launched (1959); Apollo 9 is launched (1969); the Executive Board of the National Union of Mineworkers votes to end its year-long Strike (1985); amateur video showing Police officers violently beating up Rodney King in Los Angeles is broadcast (1991); and Steve Fossett completes his four-day circumnavigation of the world, having flown solo, non-stop, and without refuelling (2005).

                    Birthdays today include: Thomas Otway (1652); William Godwin (1756); William Macready (1793); George Pulman (1831); Georg Cantor (1845); Alexander Graham Bell (1847); Henry Wood (1869); Jean Harlow (1911); Ronald Searle and James Doohan (both 1920); John Virgo (1946); Miranda Richardson (1958); Fatima Whitbread (1961); Professor Brian Cox (1968); Charlie Brooker (1971); and, exactly a year apart, two infamous fraudsters: Charles Ponzi (1882) and Cyril Burt (1883).

                    Final Days for: Robert Hooke (1704); Johann Pachelbel (1706); Nicola Porpora (1768); Giovanni Battista Viotti (1824); Eugen d'Albert(1932); Paul Wittgenstein (1961); Hergé (1983); Danny Kaye (1987); Henryk Szeryng (1988); Carlos Montoya (1993); Roman Haubenstock-Ramati (1994); Goffredo Petrassi (2003); Ivor Cutler (2006); Giuseppe Di Stefano (2008); Michael Foot (2010); Aldo Clementi (2011); Robert Ashley (2014); and, this time last year, Roger Bannister.

                    And the Radio 3 Schedules for the morning of Saturday, 3rd March, 1979 were:

                    Aubade: Suppé ("The Jolly Rubbers" according to the Genome ), Johann & Josef Strauss, Hummel, Lehar, Kreisler, Komzak (the younger - I didn't even know there was an "elder")
                    Record Review: R-K's Scheherazade BaL-ed by Richard Osborne; new Opera records reviewed by Charles Osborne
                    New Release: Peter Grimes - the Jon Vickers/ROHCG/Davis recording
                    Gerhard Oppitz plays Scriabin (Vers la Flamme, 5th Sonata; and Beethoven Op 111
                    Robin Ray: a weekly selection of recordings made over the past 75 years.
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                    • Petrushka
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 12174

                      All those premieres on the one date! What was so special about March 3 over the other 364 days and is this a record?
                      "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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                      • greenilex
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 1626

                        Happy birthday to Brian Cox.

                        When he explains something it stays explained, for me at any rate.

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                        • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                          Gone fishin'
                          • Sep 2011
                          • 30163

                          Originally posted by Petrushka View Post
                          All those premieres on the one date! What was so special about March 3 over the other 364 days and is this a record?
                          That struck me, too, Pet - although whether it's the record, we've another 302 days to find out!
                          Last edited by ferneyhoughgeliebte; 03-03-19, 10:46.
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                          • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                            Gone fishin'
                            • Sep 2011
                            • 30163

                            March 4th

                            St Casimir's Day - the Polish king, renowned for his charitable acts (and for a failed military attempt to become King of Hungary) he died aged just 23, and became a Patron Saint of Lithuania. Each year on his Feast Day, there is a huge Fair in Vilnius, showcasing Folk Arts and Crafts.

                            National Grammar Day in the United States - initiated by Martha Borckenbrough (whose Things ThatMake Us [Sic] is the US equivalent of Truss's Eats, Shoots, and Leaves in the UK. This year, the President will celebrate the day by sending a card to his grandmother.

                            Also on this Date: Emperor Claudius proclaims his adopted son, Nero, "Leader of Youths" (52); Christopher Colombus returns to Spain following his failed voyage to find a Western route to the East Indies - "discovering America" (well, the Bahamas, Cuba, and Hispaniola) was a "consolation prize" (1493); Hernan Cortes arrives in Mexico, seeking the Aztec empire (1519); Anne Boleyn takes part in a pageant at Green Castle, playing the virtue "Perseverence", and dancing with the King's sister Mary [her own sister, also called Mary, is already Henry VIII's mistress, and this is the first time he sees Anne] (1522); John Flamsteed is appointed the first Astronomer Royal (1675); William Penn is granted sole charter by Charles II for the area later to be called Pennsylvania (1681); the First Congress of the United Staes Senate, and the US House of Represntatives begins in New York (1789) - it continues until this same date in 1791, by which time it has moved to Philadelphial during this Congress, and Israel Jacobs is elected the first Jewish member of the Congress. 12 amendments to the Constitution are passed during this first Congress - the ten which are Ratified by the individual States become known as The Bill of Rights; the National Assembly abolishes the old provinces of France, and replaces them with 83 Départements (1790); POSSIBLY this date in 1791 marks Mozart's last appearance as a public Concert performer, performing his final Piano Concerto (K595) in Vienna (1791) - if so, it coincides with George Washington's Inauguration for his second term as US President, giving the shortest Inauguration speech ever (so far) - it's just 133 words. (The longest [so far] at 8,443 words was delivered on this date in 1841 - by William Henry Harrison.) From this time until 1933, every US president is Inaugurated on this date; Irish convicts attempt the Castle Hill Rebellion in Sydney, New South Wales - the only significant uprising in the penal colonies (1804); the National Institution for the Preservation of Life from Shipwreck is founded by William Hilary (1824 - it is later renamed the Royal National Lifeboat Institution [RNLI]); the First version of Tchaikovsky's Romeo & Juliet Fantasy Overture is premiered in Moscow (1870 - it isn't a success, the composer writing "After the concert we dined.... No one said a single word to me about the overture the whole evening. And yet I yearned so for appreciation and kindness") - the first version of his ballet Swan Lake also premieres on this date in 1877 - this isn't a success, either, but the composer is able to blame this on the poor production; Strauss' First Horn Concerto is premiered in Meiningen, with Gustav Leinhos the soloist and Bulow conducting (1885); the Forth Bridge is opened (1890); Glazunov's Violin Concerto is premiered in St Petersberg, with Leopold Auer soloist, and the composer conducting (1905); Victor L Berger becomes the first Socialist member of the US Congress (1911); Fauré's opera Penélope is premiered in Monte Carlo (1913); Jeanette Rankin becomes the first woman to be elected to the US House of Representatives (1917 - women do not have a Vote in US elections for another 3 years); Marnau's Nosferatu premieres in Berlin (1922); Varese's Hyperprism is premiered at the Klaw Theatre in Manhattan (1923); Frances Perkins becomes US Secretary of Labor, the first woman appointed to the US Cabinet; and Austrian Chancellor Dollfuss dissolves parliament and begins a Rule by Decree (both 1933); Dallapiccola's Tartiniana is premiered in Bern (1952); David Attenborough becomes Controller of BBC2 (1965); John Lennon's "The Beatles are bigger than Jesus" Interview appears in the London Standard (1966); the Liberal Party rebuffs Edward Heath's offer for a Coalition Government after his failure in the General Election, leading to his resignation as Prime Minister (1974); after just 10 months in existence, the Northern Ireland Constitutional Convention is dissolved, and Direct Rule from London replaces it (1977); the Real IRA detonates a bomb outside Television Centre in Shepherd's Bush, injuring 11 people (2001); the International Criminal Court issues the first writ against an acting Head of State when Sudanese President Omar Hassan al-Bashir is indicted for war crimes and crimes against humanity in Darfur (2009); Vladimir Putin wins his 3rd term as Russian President amidst international accusations of vote-rigging (2012); and, this time last year, tourists visiting Salisbury Cathedral on a day trip from Russia poison former MI6 spy Sergei Skrypal and his daughter Yulia with Novichok nerve agent.

                            Birthdays today include:Henry the Navigator (1394); Antonio Vivaldi (1678); Jack Sheppard (serial jail-breaker, 1702); Johann Rudolf Wyss (1782); Edwards Pierrpoint (1817);Alfred William Rich (1856); Thomas Sturge Moore (1870); Avery Fischer (1906); Ferdinand Leitner (1912); Witold Rudzinski (1913); Hans Eysenck (1916); Joand Greenwood (1921); Patrick Moore (1923); Don Rendell (1926); Alan Sillitoe (1928); Mario Davidovsky (1934); Aribert Reimann (1936); Jan Garbarek (1947); Kenny Dalgleish (1951); and Bernard Haitink is 90 today.
                            Final Days for: Saladin (1193); Thomas Usk (1388); Jean-Baptiste Greuze (1805); Nikolai Gogol (1852); Bronson Alcott (1888); Franz Marc (1916); Moritz Moszkowski (1925); Antonin Artaud (1948); William Carlos Williams (1963); John Candy (1994); and exactly a year ago, Klaus K Hubler.

                            And the Radio 3 schedules for the morning of Saturday, 4th March, 1989 were:
                            Morning Concert: Verdi Force of Destiny Ovt; Grieg Solveig's Song; Delius Over the Hills & Far Away; Glinka Russlan & Ludmilla Ovt; Liszt Petrarch Sonnet 123; Tchaikovsky Romeo & Juliet Ovt
                            The Week on 3: previewing the week ahead's highlights
                            DeSaram Clarinet Trio: Archduke Rudolph of Austria's Trio in Eb; Zemlinsky's Trio in d minor
                            Saturday Review: John Steane BaLed Madama Butterfly; Scriabin 3rd Sonata; Shostakovich S4tet #4; Rimsky-Korsakoff Capriccio Espagnol; an interview with Josephine Barstow; Rachmaninoff Pno Conc #2.
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                            • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                              Gone fishin'
                              • Sep 2011
                              • 30163

                              March 5th

                              Yn lowen Gool Peran to all Cornish Forumistas and their families and friends (which is the rest of us) - commemorating St Piran, the 5th Century patron saint of Cornwall (and of tin miners). Sharing the Feast Day is fellow 5th Century Celt, Ciaran of Saigir (St Kieran) - one of the Twelve Apostles of Ireland, and believed by some to be the first Saint to be born in Ireland (St Patrick would, of course, disagree). And National Tree Planting Day in Iran, and Day of Physical Culture and Sport in Azerbaijan - speaking for myself, I'll stick with the tree planting. Or, to be more honest, just scoffing a Pasty.

                              Also on this date: Copernicus' On the Revolution of the heavenly Spheres is added to the Catholic Index of Forbidden Books; it had been published 73 years before, and Copernicus himself has been dead for 63 (1616); British troops open fire on a crowd that had been throwing snowballs, sticks and stones at them in in King Street, Boston - five people, including former slave, Crispus Attucks, are killed (1770); Beethoven's Fourth Symphony is premiered in Vienna (1807); the Britannia Railway Bridge across the Menai Strait is opened (18550); the old Italian Opera House at Covent Garden Opera is destroyed by fire (1856); Boito's Mefistofele is premiered at La Scala (1868); Goldmark's Rustic Wedding Symphony is premiered in Vienna, conducted by Hans Richter (1876); Italy becomes the first country to use aircraft for military purposes, to spy on Turkish territory (1912); the Nazis win a majority in the Reichstag Elections with 44% of the vote - the opposition is so divided that they are unable to prevent Hitler then passing the Enabling Act, granting himself sole power (1933); the prototype of the Spitfire takes its first test flight at Eastleigh aerodrome in Hampshire (1936); Stalin signs the order to put to death 25,700 Polish Military Officers and intellectuals, the Katyn massacre (1940); Shostakovich's Seventh Symphony is premiered in Kuybyschev by the Bolshoi Theatre Orchestra, conducted by Samuil Samosud (1942); Winston Churchill delivers a speech at Westminster College, Fulton, Missouri, referring to the "iron curtain" (1946); Alister Hardy announces his "Aquatic Ape Hypothesis" in a lecture given to the British Sub-Aqua Club in Brighton (1960); Joe Orton's What the Butler Saw is premiered at the Queen's Theatre, London (1969); the Treaty on Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons is ratified (1970); Clive Sinclair's ZX81, one of the first popular home computers, goes on sale (1981); Eddie Shah's Today tabloid newspaper, the first in Britain to use colour photographs goes on sale (1986); and 35 pilgrims are crushed to death in a stampede during the Haij in Mecca (2001).

                              Birthdays today include: Henry II (1133); Jan van der Heyden (1637); Rosa Luxemburg (1871); William Beveridge (1979); Heitor Villa-Lobos (1887); Patrick Hadley (1899); Rex Harrison (1908); Ian Parrott (1916); Pier Paolo Pasolini (1922); Barry Tuckwell and Anthony Hedges (both 1931); David matthews (1943); Richard Hickox and Elaine Paige (both 1948); and Daniil Trifonov (1991).

                              Final Days for: Thomas Arne (1778); Franz Mesmer (1815); Alessandro Volta (1827); Marie d'Agoult (1876); Alfredo Casella (1947); Sergei Prokofiev and Josef Stalin (1953); Patsy Cline (1963); Anna Akhmatova (1966); Paul Kletzki (1973); Sol Hurok (1974); Pierre Cochereau and Tito Gobbi (1984); Viv Stanshall (1995); Philip Madoc (2012); Hugo Chavez (2013); and Kurt Moll (2017).

                              And the Radio 3 morning schedules for Wednesday, 5th March, 1969 were:

                              Overture: including a Symphony in D by JC Bach
                              Your Midweek Choice: listeners' requests
                              This week's Composer: Beethoven (including the Triple Concerto - Stern/Rose/Istomin/PdO/Ormandy)
                              Concert: records
                              Harold Darke: recorded at the organist's 80th birthday recital in 1968
                              Music Making: Music for solo piano played by Allan Schiller; lieder performed by John Huw Davies & Wilfrid Parry; and chamber Music performed by the Richards Piano Quartet
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                              • cloughie
                                Full Member
                                • Dec 2011
                                • 22076

                                Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                                Yn lowen Gool Peran to all Cornish Forumistas and their families and friends (which is the rest of us) - commemorating St Pirran, the 5th Century patron saint of Cornwall (and of tin miners). Sharing the Feast Day is fellow 5th Century Celt, Ciaran of Saigir (St Kieran) - one of the Twelve Apostles of Ireland, and believed by some to be the first Saint to be born in Ireland (St Patrick would, of course, disagree). And National Tree Planting Day in Iran, and Day of Physical Culture and Sport in Azerbaijan - speaking for myself, I'll stick with the tree planting. Or, to be more honest, just scoffing a Pasty.

                                Also on this date: Copernicus' On the Revolution of the heavenly Spheres is added to the Catholic Index of Forbidden Books; it had been published 73 years before, and Copernicus himself has been dead for 63 (1616); British troops open fire on a crowd that had been throwing snowballs, sticks and stones at them in in King Street, Boston - five people, including former slave, Crispus Attucks, are killed (1770); Beethoven's Fourth Symphony is premiered in Vienna (1807); the Britannia Railway Bridge across the Menai Strait is opened (18550); the old Italian Opera House at Covent Garden Opera is destroyed by fire (1856); Boito's Mefistofele is premiered at La Scala (1868); Goldmark's Rustic Wedding Symphony is premiered in Vienna, conducted by Hans Richter (1876); Italy becomes the first country to use aircraft for military purposes, to spy on Turkish territory (1912); the Nazis win a majority in the Reichstag Elections with 44% of the vote - the opposition is so divided that they are unable to prevent Hitler then passing the Enabling Act, granting himself sole power (1933); the prototype of the Spitfire takes its first test flight at Eastleigh aerodrome in Hampshire (1936); Stalin signs the order to put to death 25,700 Polish Military Officers and intellectuals, the Katyn massacre (1940); Shostakovich's Seventh Symphony is premiered in Kuybyschev by the Bolshoi Theatre Orchestra, conducted by Samuil Samosud (1942); Winston Churchill delivers a speech at Westminster College, Fulton, Missouri, referring to the "iron curtain" (1946); Alister Hardy announces his "Aquatic Ape Hypothesis" in a lecture given to the British Sub-Aqua Club in Brighton (1960); Joe Orton's What the Butler Saw is premiered at the Queen's Theatre, London (1969); the Treaty on Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons is ratified (1970); Clive Sinclair's ZX81, one of the first popular home computers, goes on sale (1981); Eddie Shah's Today tabloid newspaper, the first in Britain to use colour photographs goes on sale (1986); and 35 pilgrims are crushed to death in a stampede during the Haij in Mecca (2001).

                                Birthdays today include: Henry II (1133); Jan van der Heyden (1637); Rosa Luxemburg (1870); William Beveridge (1979); Heitor Villa-Lobos (1887); Patrick Hadley (1899); Rex Harrison (1908); Ian Parrott (1916); Pier Paolo Pasolini (1922); Barry Tuckwell and Anthony Hedges (both 1931); David matthews (1943); Richard Hickox and Elaine Paige (both 1948); and Daniil Trifonov (1991).

                                Final Days for: Thomas Arne (1778); Franz Mesmer (1815); Alessandro Volta (1827); Marie d'Agoult (1876); Alfredo Casella (1947); Sergei Prokofiev and Josef Stalin (1953); Patsy Cline (1963); Anna Akhmatova (1966); Paul Kletzki (1973); Sol Hurok (1974); Pierre Cochereau and Tito Gobbi (1984); Viv Stanshall (1995); Philip Madoc (2012); Hugo Chavez (2013); and Kurt Moll (2017).

                                And the Radio 3 morning schedules for Wednesday, 5th March, 1969 were:

                                Overture: including a Symphony in D by JC Bach
                                Your Midweek Choice: listeners' requests
                                This week's Composer: Beethoven (including the Triple Concerto - Stern/Rose/Istomin/PdO/Ormandy)
                                Concert: records
                                Harold Darke: recorded at the organist's 80th birthday recital in 1968
                                Music Making: Music for solo piano played by Allan Schiller; lieder performed by John Huw Davies & Wilfrid Parry; and chamber Music performed by the Richards Piano Quartet
                                Delighted to see your headline being St Piran's Day (One 'r') - Our singing group will be very busy with three engagements during the afternoon and evening, the last one leading the 'Trelawny Shout' in our local pub. Pasties will feature at all three venues!

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