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  • french frank
    Administrator/Moderator
    • Feb 2007
    • 30255

    Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
    I can't quite reproduce the symbols, but Chambers gives wenz' or wed'nz, and Merriam-Webster's has wenz or (British also) we-d*nz, where the * is actually a superscript upside down e, so perhaps rather like the Weduns sound I give the word.
    I would guess Chambers' wed'nz and Merriam's we-d*nz were indicating what I was calling a 'stop'. Like a glottal stop but not glottal (gurnemanz or someone might know the correct term). I think it's a bit like a pronounced double consonant in Italian, like gatto. Not actually ga-T-To but a sort of hesitation which prolongs the sound.
    It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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    • Pulcinella
      Host
      • Feb 2014
      • 10903

      Originally posted by french frank View Post
      I would guess Chambers' wed'nz and Merriam's we-d*nz were indicating what I was calling a 'stop'. Like a glottal stop but not glottal (gurnemanz or someone might know the correct term). I think it's a bit like a pronounced double consonant in Italian, like gatto. Not actually ga-T-To but a sort of hesitation which prolongs the sound.
      That makes sense.

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      • antongould
        Full Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 8780

        Has Ms Alker crashed the Forum too ….. ?????

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        • Ein Heldenleben
          Full Member
          • Apr 2014
          • 6761

          Originally posted by antongould View Post
          Has Ms Alker crashed the Forum too ….. ?????
          Wasn’t listening but I gather there was an outage and Petroc appeared on tape..

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          • oddoneout
            Full Member
            • Nov 2015
            • 9152

            Originally posted by Ein Heldenleben View Post
            Wasn’t listening but I gather there was an outage and Petroc appeared on tape..
            An outrage, and the Pirate[s] of Penzance sailed to the rescue?

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            • cloughie
              Full Member
              • Dec 2011
              • 22116

              Originally posted by oddoneout View Post
              An outrage, and the Pirate[s] of Penzance sailed to the rescue?
              Helston!

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              • Serial_Apologist
                Full Member
                • Dec 2010
                • 37628

                Originally posted by Ein Heldenleben View Post
                Wasn’t listening but I gather there was an outage and Petroc appeared on tape..
                I was seriously taken to task for using the term "outage" in a phone call the other day, "We're not starting to use Americanisms now, when 'power cut' has served us perfectly well ever since I can remember, are we?" my friend wanted to know.

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                • Ein Heldenleben
                  Full Member
                  • Apr 2014
                  • 6761

                  Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
                  I was seriously taken to task for using the term "outage" in a phone call the other day, "We're not starting to use Americanisms now, when 'power cut' has served us perfectly well ever since I can remember, are we?" my friend wanted to know.
                  Outage is more accurate because the interruption in transmission might be due to loss of power - it could be lots of things - I guess loss of programme might be more accurate. All a bit close to the bone when , filling in for the boss once, I didn’t log one and report it up the line and then got a mild ticking off as it was a mandatory reporting thingie . No one told me guv….

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                  • french frank
                    Administrator/Moderator
                    • Feb 2007
                    • 30255

                    Originally posted by Ein Heldenleben View Post
                    Outage is more accurate
                    'Comment was made' when I used it in connection with the forum: not a 'power cut' but the servers being down for various reasons (mechanical breakdown, Hurricane Ian &c). Sometimes new coinages are required, and the New World often provides the occasions for neology.
                    It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                    • Old Grumpy
                      Full Member
                      • Jan 2011
                      • 3601

                      Originally posted by french frank View Post
                      'Comment was made' when I used it in connection with the forum: not a 'power cut' but the servers being down for various reasons (mechanical breakdown, Hurricane Ian &c). Sometimes new coinages are required, and the New World often provides the occasions for neology.
                      "Outage" does seem to be the term nowadays...


                      ...Neo World, neology or New World, new ology

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                      • antongould
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 8780

                        “Well in my own case I'm happy to be re-informed in the way Radio 3 did back in the day, or have my assumptions challenged by revised thinking on that or other matters. If I'm looking at an elaborate painting (which is analogous to broad cultural enlightenment) I won't be gaining much from the hard work of the artist by just staring at one little bit of the canvas. What I get from it is what I think of as a very rich inner life that hopefully provides some understanding if not solace in troubled times and circumstances. I'm the guy who rejoiced at having a great view from my front window, compared with the upstairs neighbour who, when I remarked on this, just said "What view?" John Cage tells a similar story in "Silence" about visiting a landmark, which he then describes in enviable detail, before reporting a fellow passenger turning to his wife and saying, "Well we come all this way, and when you get here, there's nothing to see"!”

                        This is from S_A on the “Through The Night” thread and is maybe better placed here …..

                        Can I say I wish I had the hinterlands(?) of many hereabouts but I haven’t - and shamefully I never listened to the Third until my late 50s …. and so the added information I get from Petroc, Skellers, Kate and even Ms Alker or their producers are a joy to me …. but I can understand that it is very poor fare to some …….

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                        • french frank
                          Administrator/Moderator
                          • Feb 2007
                          • 30255

                          Originally posted by antongould View Post
                          Can I say I wish I had the hinterlands(?) of many hereabouts but I haven’t - and shamefully I never listened to the Third until my late 50s …. and so the added information I get from Petroc, Skellers, Kate and even Ms Alker or their producers are a joy to me …. but I can understand that it is very poor fare to some …….
                          Well, I'm not sure that I ever listened to the Third. Ever. Patricia Hughes? Who he? I think it was the 90s when I genuinely got hooked on R3, previously being a (fed-up) R4 listener. For an ignoramus about classical music (plus ça change ) it was nevertheless like entering a wonderland. As well as the music I wanted the context presented in an intelligent and erudite way. I didn't mind that Discovering Music was (to me) often hard going. If I'm a snob it was in being infuriated by hearing of a listener who (for a BBC survey) had been asked to listen to Discovering Music and said, "It was interesting but it was above my head. I wouldn't listen to it." Why not listen to it because it was "above your head"? What is it you want from a radio station that I don't (and vice versa)?

                          I often find myself asking the same question
                          It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                          • Alison
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 6455

                            Must admit I thoroughly enjoyed Essential Classics with Georgia Mann today.

                            Nor do I find Kate Molleson as irritating as I used to.

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                            • antongould
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 8780

                              Originally posted by Alison View Post
                              Must admit I thoroughly enjoyed Essential Classics with Georgia Mann today.

                              Nor do I find Kate Molleson as irritating as I used to.
                              Many fair points well made IMVVHO

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                              • hmvman
                                Full Member
                                • Mar 2007
                                • 1099

                                I suppose we all have our likes and dislikes when it comes to presenters. I'm afraid I find both Georgia Mann and Kate Molleson irritating but I quite like Petroc Trelawney while appreciating that others here find him intensely irritating.

                                I started listening to R3 in the '70s, so not in 'Third' days (but P. Hughes was still there). Like ff I enjoyed the erudite nature of the presentation even though much was 'over my head'. With continued listening, however, much of it became less 'over'.

                                I find that I listen more to foreign stations these days via the internet where I can hear more complete works, YLE Klassinen for example, but I miss the informative background to the music. I think there was someone in the press recently complaining about Petroc's bits of information on the Breakfast programme getting in the way of the music so, again, you can't please everyone.

                                'Discovering Music' was a huge loss. 'The Listening Service' is about as near as we get now and can be quite interesting; I enjoyed last week's edition on The Threepenny Opera, but Tom Service isn't a good broadcaster and he's another presenter who I can only take in small doses!

                                I agree with others on this forum that TTN is the gold standard now on R3.

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