Presenters - Again

[antongould]

I didn't say he was, nor did I imply it. I was listing various characteristics displayed by our current R3 presenters, not saying they all had all those characteristics. Some, indeed, are entirely unsullied, and paragons of presenterdom.

It would help me understand the feelings of the disenchanted if you could tell me who of Petroc, GM, SK, the Boy Handley, Alkers and Lady Walker are seen as smart alecs ....

[french frank]

When did they become 'presenters'?

We talk about 'presenter-led' programmes; they would never have been 'announcer-led' since announcers didn't have a lot of input beyond saying what music was going to be played. I suppose 'presenters' started on popular radio stations, where the music came in 4-minute bursts and there were more inter-music gaps to be filled. It could seem a bit barren to have: "Next up, we have this; next this; next this; next this; and now this" and so on every 4 minutes; so the presenters were there to make their own contributions. The style came to Radio 3 along with the short pieces of music. The various ways that listeners gradually had to make immediate contact expanded the opportunities for the listener interaction. The music became only part of the programme: presenter input punctuated by musical interludes. The whole definition of a 'music programme' changed.

[DracoM]

What fascinates me is how the 'playlists' [yuk] for programmes are concocted.
Do the 'presenters' have any input at all, or is it all done by the production staff?

Can we have facts rather than speculation, please?!

[french frank]

What fascinates me is how the 'playlists' [yuk] for programmes are concocted.
Do the 'presenters' have any input at all, or is it all done by the production staff?

Can we have facts rather than speculation, please?!

I'd be quite interested to know what governs the choice of music to be played. I don't know that I'm particularly interested in who chooses it. I suppose it varies: it was fairly obvious that Rob Cowan and Jonathan Swain chose the music for their programmes. But some presenters are clearly qualified to do so, others aren't.

[LMcD]

It would help me understand the feelings of the disenchanted if you could tell me who of Petroc, GM, SK, the Boy Handley, Alkers and Lady Walker are seen as smart alecs ....

Erm...Suzie Klein always seems to think she's always right and is not afraid to make that abundantly clear. None of the others can be described as a smart alec, IMHO, possibly because none of them is trying to prove anything.
I think 'amiable and informed' describes Petroc's style very well.

[antongould]

Erm...Suzie Klein always seems to think she's always right and is not afraid to make that abundantly clear. None of the others can be described as a smart alec, IMHO, possibly because none of them is trying to prove anything.
I think 'amiable and informed' describes Petroc's style very well.

I wouldn’t disagree ......

[french frank]

I wouldn’t disagree ......

But I, with my old, battered FoR3 hat on, was mentioning no names. However, it's clear that individual presenters have their fans: I suspect fans also have a tendency to exaggerate (even imagine) virtues, perhaps because it rationalises their opinion. That would be one way to explain why different listeners have opposing views on the same presenter. Each listener is convinced their view corresponds to the 'truth', whereas the only 'truth' is that, factually, they like or dislike the presenter. De gustibus.

On the other hand, verifiable examples carry weight, a very elderly one being when 'Das Märchen von der schönen Melusine' was helpfully translated (for the benefit of those who did not know) as 'The March of Fair Melusine'.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

...presenter input punctuated by musical interludes. The whole definition of a 'music programme' changed.

Or, in the case of Tom Service, presenter input with background music.

[LeMartinPecheur]

On the other hand, verifiable examples carry weight, a very elderly one being when 'Das Märchen von der schönen Melusine' was helpfully translated (for the benefit of those who did not know) as 'The March of Fair Melusine'.

Surely this needed a video on the R3 website? Marching with a fish-tail must be quite a spectacle

[cloughie]

Surely this needed a video on the R3 website? Marching with a fish-tail must be quite a spectacle

Would make the lobster quadrille a piece of cake!

[french frank]

Surely this needed a video on the R3 website? Marching with a fish-tail must be quite a spectacle

Pogo-like.

[antongould]

.....when 'Das Märchen von der schönen Melusine' was helpfully translated (for the benefit of those who did not know) as 'The March of Fair Melusine'.

As the forum’s token thicko what does it mean .... ??????? very excited that I may be able to upgrade my Rafa responses on The Round Ball Game

[french frank]

As the forum’s token thicko what does it mean .... ??????? very excited that I may be able to upgrade my Rafa responses on The Round Ball Game

It means The Tale (not the tail!) of Fair Melusine, a Märchen is, especially, a fairy tale.

[jayne lee wilson]

But I, with my old, battered FoR3 hat on, was mentioning no names. However, it's clear that individual presenters have their fans: I suspect fans also have a tendency to exaggerate (even imagine) virtues, perhaps because it rationalises their opinion. That would be one way to explain why different listeners have opposing views on the same presenter. Each listener is convinced their view corresponds to the 'truth', whereas the only 'truth' is that, factually, they like or dislike the presenter. De gustibus.

On the other hand, verifiable examples carry weight, a very elderly one being when 'Das Märchen von der schönen Melusine' was helpfully translated (for the benefit of those who did not know) as 'The March of Fair Melusine'.

Surely the very sound of the voice itself is crucial to "preference"?
The tone or pitch of it, the delivery - whether smooth or choppy, rushed or hesitant etc....the way a given presenter effortlessly emphasises meaning with cadence, while with others the stresses seem to contradict it...(the latter sometimes leading to a sense of nervousness in the speaker, and unease in the listener...)..

When KD first presented Prom Concerts, it was that shaping or forming of phrase and sentence I found most difficult... this improved as she went on, but later I think I just tuned it out, waited for the applause to recover my attention....

[LMcD]

Or, in the case of Tom Service, presenter input with background music.

How true!