Originally posted by aka Calum Da Jazbo
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I imagine they're waiting for a call from the boys in blue. There was a report yesterday - can't find the link - that they spent more money with the private investigator involved than did the NoTW.Steve -
From the excerpts quoted on the Guardian website, Chris Hulme seemed to be uncharacteristically reticent about expressing an opinion about the BSkyB deal when he was on this morning's Andrew Marr show. He did, however, give us all a wonderful line:
What planet is Hulme living on?I believe we should have a personal assurance from Rupert Murdoch that these illegal practices were confined to the News of the World.
It's been noteworthy how quiet the LibDem leadership has been during the last week, that is apart from Lord Oakshott who is reported to be close to Vince Cable. (Unlike Nick Clegg not to jump on a passing bandwagon.)
Very odd indeed.Comment
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So, if Nick Clegg speaks out he's jumping on a passing bandwagon? And if he doesn't, it's very odd indeed?Originally posted by johnb View Post
I don't think it's, by which I mean 'It isn't', actually true that the Lib Dem leadership has been quiet.
"The Prime Minister has struggled to plot a safe course through the crisis, and he has found himself under unwelcome pressure from his own deputy, the Liberal Democrat leader Nick Clegg, over how far to move and how fast." http://www.independent.co.uk/news/me...e-2309905.html
But that's a sideshow anyway.
And I think there is a point to getting Murdoch to say, Yes or No, whether such practices have been used on his other titles. Even if we're sure the answer is Yes.It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.Comment
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FF,
For what ever reason, Nick Clegg has been curiously invisible during the last week. That does seem very odd to me.
Perhaps, but the implication of Hulme's comment might be taken to be "If Murdoch says the bad practises were confined to the NotW everything is then OK" which is far, far removed from the case.And I think there is a point to getting Murdoch to say, Yes or No, whether such practices have been used on his other titles. Even if we're sure the answer is Yes.
Even if Murdoch's word can be taken on this (and, as a very astute operator, he will have ensured deniability as far as his knowledge of the deplorable practices are concerned) there is the whole issue of corporate governance.
I've just heard the Hulne clip on the news and the actual words were:
... which is a pretty meaningless assurance.I believe we should have a personal assurance from Rupert Murdoch that he believes these illegal practices were confined to the News of the World.Comment
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I've always taken NOTW to be effectively The Sun on Sunday anyway, so what's going to change apart from its title? Are there any significant differences, beyond the staffing? Perhaps similar to The Telegraph and Sunday Telegraph. And surely many of the untainted staff will be re-hired for the new paper (which is obviously a good thing)?
However, if the paper is out quickly in its new form, I would like to see the companies and charities that boycotted NOTW maintaining that position until more substantial action is taken.Comment
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indeed
Calder Hall > Windscale > Sellafield > Badgers Meadow
people don't seem to have their Bullsh*t detectors switched to the ON position
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But Nick Clegg isn't responsible for how much personal coverage he gets in the media when a big story is running, especially on television. He seems to me to have said quite a lot, what with calling for a full judicial enquiry and for Brooks' resignation.Originally posted by johnb View PostBut is that really what you believe he was saying? I agree, it was phrased pretty limply. The point is, it doesnt matter whether Murdoch replies Yes or No since it will, I imagine, be proved in due course what was done where. If he has said he believes that only the NOW was involved, even this late in the story, he would show he's still a chief who doesn't know what's going on in his organisation. In other words, not 'fit and proper' ...Perhaps, but the implication of Hulme's comment might be taken to be "If Murdoch says the bad practises were confined to the NotW everything is then OK" which is far, far removed from the case.
But, the contributions of Clegg and Huhne are only a sideshow to the main spectacle and it looks as if Miliband is the main man at the moment.
Edit: Two more stories
It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.Comment
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A personal assurance as in 'My wife was driving, not me'? Ooh, I'd believe that any day.
This is all sooo depressing.Comment
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Excellent. Thanks for flagging it up, Steve.
'Terrorised', eh?
It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.Comment
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the referenced article co-authored by Noam Chomsky (a villified hate figure for the American rightwing) is excellent in showing how the weft and warp of the cloak used by the ruling class has been constructed and why now it is starting to unravel so quickly - (as a sidenote the local press on Island owned by a UK chain demonstrates all too clearly how a once vigourous campaining set of newspapers can be turned into a propaganda cloak of invisibility for those in power)Comment
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What an eloquently heartening piece of writing, almost musical. I'm a little happier for reading it. Thanks.Originally posted by Stunsworth View PostComment
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10 days can be a long time not only in politics, but journalism. Here's an article written by former Sun editor Kelvin MacKenzie 10 long days ago. I wonder if he's changed his opinion? Given what has happened since, the last paragraph is hilarious...
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Many journalists, like some politicians and bankers, often seem to live in a separate, self-congratulatory world of their own ...
On a TV News bulletin yesterday one (who apparently has never worked for the NOTW) described today as a 'sad' day for us all, witnessing the sudden demise of 'an honourable newspaper'.
Oh come on, it was a filthy rag, and every school kid knew it, and even those adults who bought the wretched thing rarely denied as much!
The downside is ... will Murdoch's replacement be even worse ... ?
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