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"...the isle is full of noises,
Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."
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My apologies if my confusing post, subsequently deleted, contributed to the closure although I feel that we get too much of this stuff in the mainstream media. I was merely setting out in a ham-fisted way my own position. That for clarity is if and when it comes to an extreme right wing shooting at a Parliament which had not managed to keep everyone on side, I will be packing my bags for Rockham Bay where I will sit alone in all weathers with a laptop doing nothing other than making the occasional comment on music until I blissfully wither for ever more. I tell myself this is a new thing and there are specific reasons for it. Actually, it's what I will do anyway and I wrote pre-computer poems when I was 20-21 along these lines.Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
Tennyson - one of Victoria's favourites, at least for a while.
I like to think of it as where Osborne House and the Woodstock hippy festival conjoin.
The IOW locations as a follow-through of the earlier withdrawals : that was in the rhythms of history, not that any teenager knew it:
(For the record, back in 1982-82, my Rockham Bay, Devon would have been Caerfai Bay, Pembs; in essence it is the same difference)Last edited by Lat-Literal; 23-10-18, 19:10.Comment
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I'm sure it wasn't down to you, Lat. I think it was the curse of Brexit. Something of a first for me. I don't start many threads and when I do they usually attract about half a dozen responses and then fade into cyberspace oblivion .Comment
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That is magnanimous. You are not to blame. Perhaps none of us is to blame. The following comments are written with an assurance that they haven't been written because I have been on courses. On this forum, we are mostly of certain ages. We came through the system when it was still regarded as reasonably special to have a way with an argument. An ability in that sphere. Furthermore, whatever the differences, those somewhat egotistical arguments were underpinned by very genuine and often strongly held values. Me? I always did feel an imposter. Could never get my mind around the fact that I was university material, let alone the degree which followed that in its day was even more solid than in my wildest dreams.Originally posted by gurnemanz View Post
Some of it would have been about a way with words. Other parts of it were about being individual and so obviously heartfelt. Although it took quite a clash with an American woman, lesbian I believe, who urged me to be more fiery as she saw the potential there but early on it was all a bit too dry. So thanks very much to her. That would be Ellen Kennedy. We never did hit it off hugely on a personal level and we were both fine on that point but when I did what she asked she really marked me up and that then carried across to other academics.
But now I look at the 18,000 at my place alone. It's not their fault but where is the scope for any arguments presented with conviction? People who can do it.....they are just one of so many and it isn't necessarily values which would underpin it all to the same extent. There is just far too much reality to face. That is what their work has to be geared to. So Brexit or no Brexit. That is the broader context. They are in life. Not all of us including me are really in that system now and on the rare occasions we have to deal with it - well, whenever I do - it drives me out of my tiny mind. I'm 55 for goodness sake. I think my parents were regular at this age, a bit naïve, young in spirit and also mature. In contrast, I'm irregular, not naïve, young and even very immature in spirit and feeling often very, very old. All I am saying is that I know about Weimar. It really wasn't such a bad old stick. But it failed. We know what the consequences were. When we were in our 20s and 30s, we all liked to say "well if that ever happened here we would fight against the repercussions to the death" and we meant it.
And what I am saying is that if Parliament proves incompetent on this matter, following the expenses debacle and the financial crash, and it all went off in a similar way because of it, I wouldn't. I couldn't take sides. Not at this age. Not to bang my head against brick walls. I'd be doing my best to escape. This is a strong ally of democratic effectiveness and with any breakdown of it I would be so totally critical and appalled I'd just walk off to a favourite seascape. Is that important? Not really. Who am I? But how many people are there like me - friends of civilisation essentially - who would at that point not be willing or able to do anything at all? It's this which needs to be borne in mind by all sides. Old England is weary.
(You can imagine being by instinct centrist and fiery is not a natural combination but it didn't take much to get that one up from me : for better/worse it turned out to be my vibe)
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Alan Wilkinson posted to his following today to announce a gig he's doing at Café Oto on June 29. While glad, obviously, for him, audience numbers are to be restricted to 30, which I would imagine to be about a third of capacity, and, apart from personal anxieties about travelling on public transport - Dalston's a bit far to cycle now - the tickets are already going fast. Maybe they'll relax things a bit more by that date, but I have me doubts.Originally posted by Bryn View PostComment
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We're really looking forward to the first live concert for over a year in our local church - masks, distancing, mandatory advance booking, contact details and all!Comment
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Brexit problems are currently secondary to the pandemic disruption? The first hurdle for now is just being able to put on a concert and deciding how much of a financial hit can be justified, the question of admin hurdles for performers coming from abroad is currently limited by travel restrictions, and those imposed on their residents by individual countries.Comment
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