The little round ball game...Serena and sexism

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  • cloughie
    Full Member
    • Dec 2011
    • 22205

    #16
    Originally posted by french frank View Post
    Interesting to contemplate how a woman umpire would have dealt with the situation.
    ...and how Serena would have dealt with it!

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    • Serial_Apologist
      Full Member
      • Dec 2010
      • 37855

      #17
      Originally posted by cloughie View Post
      Or was it Cage - but all he left us was Silence!
      You cannot be Sirius!

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      • cloughie
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        • Dec 2011
        • 22205

        #18
        Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
        You cannot be Sirius!
        Of course I'm not - I'm Cloughie!

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        • Serial_Apologist
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          • Dec 2010
          • 37855

          #19
          Originally posted by cloughie View Post
          Of course I'm not - I'm Cloughie!
          I am sure ahinton will explain all...

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          • eighthobstruction
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 6449

            #20
            ....I rarely watch Serena, though I enjoy watching the Grand Slams....she is full of hysterionics, ugly emotions, outbursts of all sorts....Serena doing her Zombie walks....violent sounds....playacting....special fashion statements....smash smash smash no subtlety....more of all that 10 times over....Ramos is a good umpire, particularly hot on time between points, and top players of any sex flouting them....OUT OF ORDER SERENA, over the top....pride before/after the wotsit....blaa blaa....but dollars in, dollars out....net gain....

            ....actually it reminded me of Jonathon Aitken....though no tennis connection that i know of....
            bong ching

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            • Serial_Apologist
              Full Member
              • Dec 2010
              • 37855

              #22
              Originally posted by eighthobstruction View Post

              ....actually it reminded me of Jonathon Aitken....though no tennis connection that i know of....
              The racket of truth?

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              • french frank
                Administrator/Moderator
                • Feb 2007
                • 30511

                #23
                Did people mind about this one? The problem with this sort of cartoon is that it's designed to make the character look ugly and laughable - but also recognisable.

                Originally posted by ardcarp View Post
                A lot of flak over this cartoon.....

                https://www.news.com.au/sport/sports...c806d6ab5e9bc0
                It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                  Gone fishin'
                  • Sep 2011
                  • 30163

                  #24
                  Originally posted by french frank View Post
                  The problem with this sort of cartoon is that it's designed to make the character look ugly and laughable - but also recognisable.
                  Not so much a "problem" as a "purpose" of caricatures, I would say - lampooning the ugly and laughable behaviour of powerful/prominent people; bringing inflated egos down to size by revealing anti-social and/or hypocritical behaviour (which "ordinary" people would never be allowed to get away with) for what, in the crudest possible terms, it is.
                  [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                  • kernelbogey
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 5807

                    #25
                    Originally posted by eighthobstruction View Post
                    ....I rarely watch Serena.....she is full of hysterionics, ugly emotions, outbursts of all sorts....Serena doing her Zombie walks....violent sounds....playacting....
                    “When a woman is emotional, she’s ‘hysterical’ and she’s penalised for it,” When a man does the same, he’s ‘outspoken’ and there are no repercussions,”
                    - Billie Jean King

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                    • kernelbogey
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 5807

                      #26
                      Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                      Not so much a "problem" as a "purpose" of caricatures, I would say - lampooning the ugly and laughable behaviour of powerful/prominent people; bringing inflated egos down to size by revealing anti-social and/or hypocritical behaviour (which "ordinary" people would never be allowed to get away with) for what, in the crudest possible terms, it is.
                      The argument is about the inherent racism of the cartoon:

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                      • Beef Oven!
                        Ex-member
                        • Sep 2013
                        • 18147

                        #27
                        Originally posted by kernelbogey View Post
                        The argument is about the inherent racism of the cartoon:

                        https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...share_btn_link
                        Shame that Alana Lentin doesn't set out what it is that you seem to have seen in her short item of interconnected platitudes, stereotypes and false premises - she could have liberated many of us from our mis-held belief that all the cartoon does is lampoon, in a perfectly legitimate way, a celebrity who has thrown a tantrum.

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                        • french frank
                          Administrator/Moderator
                          • Feb 2007
                          • 30511

                          #28
                          Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                          Not so much a "problem" as a "purpose" of caricatures, I would say - lampooning the ugly and laughable behaviour of powerful/prominent people; bringing inflated egos down to size by revealing anti-social and/or hypocritical behaviour (which "ordinary" people would never be allowed to get away with) for what, in the crudest possible terms, it is.
                          Yes, I said they were "designed to be". "The problem" here seems to be that she is black and a woman.

                          This is McEnroe's record of penalties, including being thrown out of one competition, and fined $10,000 for swearing at linesman at Wimbledon in 1991. A total of almost $70,000 over 25 years ago.

                          It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                          • eighthobstruction
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 6449

                            #29
                            KB....a] read the article....still fail to see the rascism in the cartoon [as BO writes]....Lentin certainly offers no reason/material reason as to why this particular cartoon is rascist [it may be GOATist]....it's humour/sarcasm rests on the fact that such a high paid celebrity GOAT,playing in terms of experience an opponent who is a novice [19 years old in first grand slam final]- has a hissy fit, goes out of control in front of 15,000 people in stadium(10 million TV) at a time when she is loosing. Lentin may be right about aspects of Australian society, but this cartoon is not the vehicle to prove her thesis....blaa blaa

                            b] if you really have perused a wide range of info on this umpire sexism business, you should have come across many quotes re Ramos being a sound umpire, and also that there are many many cases of repercussions for similar male infringements....Fognini, $96,000 fine + one grand slam ban is the highest profile. All players male and female moan loudly to the umpire at game breaks if they feel aggrieved. Williams completely lost it....got angry- and kept going....and showed herself up [cheered on by a partisan US crowd]
                            bong ching

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                            • ardcarp
                              Late member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 11102

                              #30
                              cheered on by a partisan US crowd
                              ..but her behaviour was partly redeemed by her puuting an arm round the tearful winner at the award ceremony.

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