The little round ball game...Serena and sexism

[Beef Oven!]

..but her behaviour was partly redeemed by her puuting an arm round the tearful winner at the award ceremony.

Irrelevant. She ruined it for her. So self-centred. No-one else matters.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

The argument is about the inherent racism of the cartoon:

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...share_btn_link

Yes, I've seen that. The problem I have with this argument is that it looks to me like a caricature of Selena Williams, not a stereotypical caricature of any/all black women (it's clearly not Winnie Mandela or Condileezza Rice or Michelle Obama or any other black woman, prominent, "ordinary", or fictional).

[french frank]

The argument is about the inherent racism of the cartoon:

Which would mean you can't do a cartoon of a black woman that is recognisably her. Could you do a cartoon of a woman that looks like a woman (and is recognisably that woman)?

[eighthobstruction]

Which would mean you can't do a cartoon of a black woman that is recognisably her. Could you do a cartoon of a woman that looks like a woman (and is recognisably that woman)?

....only if you have a arrow pointing to her that says ordinary non generic angry woman....or is 'angry' generic....you are the linguist...

[french frank]

....only if you have a arrow pointing to her that says ordinary non generic angry woman....or is 'angry' generic....you are the linguist...

No, 'angry' is not generic, eighth. You may call me angry without fear of criticism.

[Stanfordian]

..but her behaviour was partly redeemed by her puuting an arm round the tearful winner at the award ceremony.

There is no excuse for rudeness or arrogance whether black or white, female or male. All designed to try to unsettle an opponent I guess, but the plan didn't work. I'd like to see SW umpiring a tournament!

[cloughie]

There is no excuse for rudeness or arrogance whether black or white, female or male. All designed to try to unsettle an opponent I guess, but the plan didn't work. I'd like to see SW umpiring a tournament!

[Darkbloom]

There is no excuse for rudeness or arrogance whether black or white, female or male. All designed to try to unsettle an opponent I guess, but the plan didn't work. I'd like to see SW umpiring a tournament!

I'd say it was more about intimidating the umpire than unsettling her opponent. We're supposed to be sensitive about this now but it was a clear case of bullying. An incredibly rich, successful player berates a relatively poorly-paid official and most of the media took her side. Someone actually wrote an article about this beginning with 'I don't care about the rules'. You can't go around calling the person in authority corrupt, in any walk of life, and expect to get away with.

[gurnemanz]

The winner:

[Richard Tarleton]

For anyone who's still interested in this there's an excellent piece in today's Sunday Times by Marina Navratilova. It first appeared in the New York Times.

[cloughie]

For anyone who's still interested in this there's an excellent piece in today's Sunday Times by Marina Navratilova. It first appeared in the New York Times.

Can't open it - get Error 404. What was the gist of the article - which side did Martina come down on?

[Flay]

"Serena Williams cannot be excused for her behavior". "

There had been a coaching incident, for which she was warned. Then she broke her racquet, so the rules dictate that a point must be deducted.

She was saying that no player of any gender should act that way.

Quite right

[Richard Tarleton]

Sorry, perhaps it's a paywall problem. Anyway, the back page of the sports section.

"Serena Williams cannot be excused for her behavior". "

There had been a coaching incident, for which she was warned. Then she broke her racquet, so the rules dictate that a point must be deducted.

She was saying that no player of any gender should act that way.

Quite right

Indeed.

Her coach was coaching her (he admitted it): whether or not she saw is immaterial, she is responsible for the behaviour of her coach. The umpire could, just, have given her a "soft" warning before the official one, but was perfectly correct in giving her the official one - "...[players] are called out on it [coaching] quite frequently. Most of the time, players just shrug it off and know that going forward, they and their coaches need to behave, because the next infraction will cost them a point".

She points out that having done that, the umpire had no choice but to dock a point for the second incident, the racket-smashing. Verballing the umpire as she then did was a third violation - again, no choice. A game.

I do not believe it's a good idea to apply a standard of: "If men can get away with it, women should be able to, too". Rather, I think the question we have to ask ourselves is this: what is the right way to behave to honour our sport and to respect our opponents?

[Lat-Literal]

"That wasn't the only memorable line of the afternoon as, after another squabble over a line-call, McEnroe told James: "You guys are the absolute pits of the world." James, who thought that McEnroe has called him "the absolute piss of the world", punished the New Yorker: "I'm going to award a point against you because you're rude." But clearly that wasn't the line that everyone will remember from McEnroe's straight-sets victory. Within a fortnight, McEnroe would be the Wimbledon champion for the first time. But what still has everyone talking? That first Wimbledon title? Or those four words, "you cannot be serious"?

Yes, it was pits just as it was two bumps on a log...……….he may have had an entire dictionary of just about getting away with it.

For the record, my favourite non white women tennis players have always been Maria Bueno and Evonne Goolagong-Cawley.

[Boilk]

Can't open it - get Error 404. What was the gist of the article - which side did Martina come down on?

The link was wrong, it had a second "https://" repeated at the end of the hyperlink. Here is the correct link...

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/sport/serena-williams-cannot-be-excused-for-her-behaviour-in-the-us-open-final-p5wlgrtzm