GMT / British Summer Time

[cloughie]

I'll check with my mate who milks cows for a living whether he fancies getting up another hour earlier.

I think I can guess his answer though.

But he won’t be getting up an hour earlier, he’s conditioned by what it says on his H Samuel everight to think he is! As for continuing to farm - the weather patterns, post Brexit will have no bearing as our wonderful government will give better incentives than the EU agricultural policy ever did.

[Pulcinella]

“Dark getting lighter is safer than dark getting darker, so delay the 'time' it gets dark” has always been my reaction when this is discussed; gives children a bit of time to play after school too! The change over the end of October half-term is really noticeable.
I've never given any truck (or should that be milk float?) to the cows and milking argument, for the very reason cloughie outlines so eloquently.

[teamsaint]

When you have 8 hours of light to juggle with , compromise is inevitable. Personally I prefer the light in the morning, especially working mornings.( But I take Pulcers’ point about school hours) Perhaps we could change the clocks at weekends .

If my mate has to get up to milk cows with four hours of darkness ( or whatever) ahead of him, it will feel an hour earlier regardless of what his watch says. But he might get an ( extra)hour off in the light to compensate of course.

I’ll check with Dave, , and also check about his view on subsidies. My other mate whose family own and farm 2000 Acres in Wiltshire used to love the CAP, that I do know. Set aside was particularly beneficial.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

Perhaps we could change the clocks at weekends.

- Don't give them ideas!!!

If my mate has to get up to milk cows with four hours of darkness ( or whatever) ahead of him, it will feel an hour earlier regardless of what his watch says.

Will it? Why? If someone gets up every day at the same time (none of this "extra/fewer hour in bed" mullarky) and goes to bed at approximately the same time every day, how can they feel that the mornings have gained an hour?

(Put it another way, if this is so, then doesn't he feel that with darkness "arriving" sooner in the evenings that he's working for an extra hour regardless of what his watch [other timepieces are available] says?)

[vinteuil]

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... all this tankering with time, t'ain't nat'ral, I tells 'ee. Tisn't rite. Biyur we'm got gaffer Moger's sundial. 'T'were good enough for ma Moger 'ner ma afore. We'm not 'avin any of these fancy Lunnun ways. They'm got a ticker clock at squire's, bu' ee casn't read neither.

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[ahinton]

But he won’t be getting up an hour earlier, he’s conditioned by what it says on his H Samuel everight to think he is! As for continuing to farm - the weather patterns, post Brexit will have no bearing as our wonderful government will give better incentives than the EU agricultural policy ever did.

Farmers are already experiencing problems with climate issues in UK; Brexit itself (if it happens) has no bearing on this and, as to any incentives being given to the farming industry by UK's government, there won't be any when it no longer has one...

[cloughie]

Farmers are already experiencing problems with climate issues in UK; Brexit itself (if it happens) has no bearing on this and, as to any incentives being given to the farming industry by UK's government, there won't be any when it no longer has one...

The was intended to imply the paucity of future subsidies and the weather has always been a factor in agriculture!

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

With all this time-tinkering, it raises the question of why we persist with a 12-hour clock.

Because the Romans did? That doesn't seem a very good reason.

[cloughie]

When you have 8 hours of light to juggle with , compromise is inevitable. Personally I prefer the light in the morning, especially working mornings.( But I take Pulcers’ point about school hours) Perhaps we could change the clocks at weekends .

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...and for the Twelve Days of Christmas!

[vinteuil]

... it raises the question of why we persist with a 12-hour clock.

Because the Romans did?

... I'm not sure that the Romans had clocks


despite Shakespeare -

BRUTUS. Peace! Count the clock.
CASSIUS. The clock hath stricken three...

Julius Caesar II, i, 193-94.


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[Serial_Apologist]

... I'm not sure that the Romans had clocks


despite Shakespeare -

BRUTUS. Peace! Count the clock.
CASSIUS. The clock hath stricken three...

Julius Caesar II, i, 193-94.


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If the Romans had sundials, presumably in anticipation they could have turned them to accord with modern BST or GMT, etc?

[teamsaint]

- Don't give them ideas!!!


Will it? Why? If someone gets up every day at the same time (none of this "extra/fewer hour in bed" mullarky) and goes to bed at approximately the same time every day, how can they feel that the mornings have gained an hour?

(Put it another way, if this is so, then doesn't he feel that with darkness "arriving" sooner in the evenings that he's working for an extra hour regardless of what his watch [other timepieces are available] says?)

Well I would see it simply as down to how a person feels in the morning. I’d suggest that the lighter it is , or the fewer hours of dark that there are ahead, the easier the mornings are, or feel. And the mornings are , for most people , the point in the day where any difference makes the most impact.

Except for students, obviously.

Maybe it is just having to wake and get up in the dark that is the problem, regardless of how many hours of dark there are ahead.

If the “cow milking in Scotland “ ( wasn't that a Toyah album ? ) is spurious, I wonder why it gets trundled out so often ?


Anyway, Dave the herdsman is going to be really chuffed that so many classical music fans are discussing this with his best interests at heart !!

[Bryn]

Well I would see it simply as down to how a person feels in the morning. I’d suggest that the lighter it is , or the fewer hours of dark that there are ahead, the easier the mornings are, or feel. And the mornings are , for most people , the point in the day where any difference makes the most impact.

Except for students, obviously.

Maybe it is just having to wake and get up in the dark that is the problem, regardless of how many hours of dark there are ahead.

If the “cow milking in Scotland “ ( wasn't that a Toyah album ? ) is spurious, I wonder why it gets trundled out so often ?


Anyway, Dave the herdsman is going to be really chuffed that so many classical music fans are discussing this with his best interests at heart !!

Herdsman? Who he?

[MrGongGong]

If the “cow milking in Scotland “ ( wasn't that a Toyah album ? ) is spurious, I wonder why it gets trundled out so often ?

Surely people who rely on tides, sunrise, sunset etc simply work when they need to rather than when a clock says?
A mate of mine works on tugs out of Immingham and goes to work when the tide is high
but maybe Debbie and mrs Fripp know something we don't ?



The sheep farmers of Barnet need all the help they can get?

[ahinton]

The was intended to imply the paucity of future subsidies and the weather has always been a factor in agriculture!

Sure, but unless they're "protesting too much" it would seem that weather matters are getting noticeably worse for many in the UK farming industry.