Would off road, dirt track motorbiking as a novice be ridiculous/foolhardy?

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  • french frank
    Administrator/Moderator
    • Feb 2007
    • 30652

    #46
    Strange how the brain can sometimes work too quickly for its own good. I read

    Originally posted by Richard Tarleton View Post
    I went to work on an apple
    which made a change from an egg.
    It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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    • ferneyhoughgeliebte
      Gone fishin'
      • Sep 2011
      • 30163

      #47
      Originally posted by french frank View Post
      Strange how the brain can sometimes work too quickly for its own good. I read
      which made a change from an egg.


      I liked the idea of a "Hopping Shed" - conjuring images of a Seventeenth Century Non-Conformist sect; "On the Sabbath, we all meet in the big barn and hop in front of the Lord".

      "Strange how the brain can ... " (fill in as you feel fit).
      [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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      • Richard Tarleton

        #48
        Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post


        I liked the idea of a "Hopping Shed" - conjuring images of a Seventeenth Century Non-Conformist sect; "On the Sabbath, we all meet in the big barn and hop in front of the Lord".

        "Strange how the brain can ... " (fill in as you feel fit).
        Growing hops has (had - it was already disappearing fast) its own arcane vocabulary - hop gardens, hop pockets, hopsacks....the picked hops were pressed into hop pockets and taken on another trailer to the oast house, where they were spread out on the mesh floor above the gas burners to be dried overnight. Finally, the dry hops were pressed tight into hopsacks which were sewn up ready for shipping. 'Oppin' was the old farmer's favourite time of year - he even tucked himself up into a hop pocket to sleep in the oast house, oblivious to the roar of the burners.....

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        • Dave2002
          Full Member
          • Dec 2010
          • 18061

          #49
          I did try gliding once. Rather exhilarating. I also did a short stint in a powered plane, and I was surprised that I was allowed to do the take off. I would have needed more practice to do landings. I liked the idea, but apart from the time commitment it would have been quite pricey to get a licence.

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          • Quarky
            Full Member
            • Dec 2010
            • 2677

            #50
            Originally posted by Lat-Literal View Post
            Thank you.

            That Level 1 video is very educational because it shows the patience that is needed in the beginning. I found that with the kayaking. It looks like a breeze but it is quite intricate, almost as if being taught golf, - not slow, but steady, although with an impetus through the training to move on. I did eight hours of that at the local lake - four on Sat and four on Sun having emerged from almost a decade, possibly in some respects a lifetime, of being mainly deskbound albeit I have hiked. Then, of course, with all these things you find out that there is masses of other stuff to learn on further levels up. It is almost impossible to believe and questions arise about capability to do that. I haven't returned to kayaks as I feel I need to do Level 1 again although I got the certificate. I don't recall learning to drive a car being quite like it but perhaps it was and just didn't seem like it at the time, being 17/18. Anyway, that video also shows a person lifting a bike. The lifting is arguably one of the more tricky areas. The turning of the kayak back upwards. And after I went in the glider, I was required to steer it by its wing with some push into the hangar although there was towing from the front. But overall, I think that BMW film shows me it is not beyond the realms of approachability.
            Having reviewed the Yamaha and BMW sites, my feeling is that the Yamaha course will be full of spotty teenagers, aching for a thrill.

            The BMW course, while the attendees may be more your type, requires a full motorcycle licence.

            There is a BMW rider centre in Royston, Herts, which runs on-road courses from the ground -up. I think it's Sam, a lady bike rider, who organises things. Give her a ring - but she will probably recommend their CBT course - which may be no bad thing!

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            • greenilex
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 1626

              #51
              Tractors without roll bars/ cabins are a nightmare.

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              • MrGongGong
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                • Nov 2010
                • 18357

                #52
                Originally posted by greenilex View Post
                Tractors without roll bars/ cabins are a nightmare.
                You are Tom Archer ?

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                • Quarky
                  Full Member
                  • Dec 2010
                  • 2677

                  #53
                  Originally posted by greenilex View Post
                  Tractors without roll bars/ cabins are a nightmare.
                  ......mmmmmmmmm......

                  my friend Peter has an open tractor parked in his back garden, which looks very cute.

                  It tows a lawn mower attachment for mowing the lawn - actually a 4 acre field ...........

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                  • Serial_Apologist
                    Full Member
                    • Dec 2010
                    • 37995

                    #54
                    Originally posted by Richard Tarleton View Post
                    I learnt tractor driving in the same way I learnt how to ride a motor bike, by bluff and actually doing it. When looking for a job in nature conservation (before the events outlined above) I spent some time working on farms, to gain experience. The first was a large apple and sheep farm, the farm owner being being an architect who employed a farm manager to run the farm. The owner kindly agreed to take me on for two months. The manager and farmhands were clearly more sceptical, and on my first day told me to take the tractor and trailer to a farm machinery depot some miles away to collect a huge door for the apple cold store. The tractor was a rusty old Massey with a rear-mounted forklift, suitable only for farmyard jobs. I set out anyway - it was do or die - and got to the depot in one piece. t speed up and down the aisles. When we had enough, I had to drive at speed to the hopping (‘oppin’ ) shed where the vines were grabbed by a hook and The trailer (it turned out) was too small to take the door safely. The staff at the depot nevertheless helped me lash it on (vertically), and I drove back without mishap, to general astonishment, avoiding low bridges and overhead wires. I was then shown a vast, jumbled heap of empty wooden 500lb apple boxes and told to put them in tidy stacks, using my fork lift. This I accomplished well before quitting time, to general amazement, and I was accepted as a full member of the team.
                    You come across in this account as a rural version of Ian Carmichael playing his Stakhanovite role in "I'm All Right Jack" - excerpt that Mr Kite (aka Peter Sellers in his finest role) brought the workforce out on strike for your efforts, which nearly instigated a revolution.

                    [a] large female workforce was waiting to pick the flowers off the vines onto a conveyor belt. The slightest inaccuracy on my part was greeted with torrents of abuse, so I rapidly became skilled at this.
                    They might have employed women of smaller stature had they been working on dwarf vine varieties.

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                    • Richard Tarleton

                      #55
                      I was entirely serious in trying to gain experience in rural skills, while seeking employment in the conservation sector - luckily it wasn't a unionised workplace . Looking back it had its comical side and was a rich source of anecdote. Being given something impossible to do on your first day in a new work setting is not new, managing to do it was the key . The human encounters in an unfamiliar world were the best bit. I heard a lot of country wisdom, my favourite saying from my friend Tony being “What the eye doesn’t see, the foot treads in” . Nobby, one of the other hands, lived in a tiny tied cottage on the farm. The farmer carried out an extension to the kitchen which, Nobby said, meant he could now stand his wellingtons at right angles to the wall instead of flat against it. Watching our oldest colleague Wilf, who had no teeth, cutting tiny bits off an apple with a dirty old penknife before popping them in his mouth, Tony whispered to me that this was the knife he’d been using for dagging the sheep .

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                      • Serial_Apologist
                        Full Member
                        • Dec 2010
                        • 37995

                        #56
                        Originally posted by Richard Tarleton View Post
                        I was entirely serious in trying to gain experience in rural skills, while seeking employment in the conservation sector - luckily it wasn't a unionised workplace . Looking back it had its comical side and was a rich source of anecdote. Being given something impossible to do on your first day in a new work setting is not new, managing to do it was the key . The human encounters in an unfamiliar world were the best bit. I heard a lot of country wisdom, my favourite saying from my friend Tony being “What the eye doesn’t see, the foot treads in” . Nobby, one of the other hands, lived in a tiny tied cottage on the farm. The farmer carried out an extension to the kitchen which, Nobby said, meant he could now stand his wellingtons at right angles to the wall instead of flat against it. Watching our oldest colleague Wilf, who had no teeth, cutting tiny bits off an apple with a dirty old penknife before popping them in his mouth, Tony whispered to me that this was the knife he’d been using for dagging the sheep .


                        Nobbys are usually employed at such places to do the donkey work.

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                        • Lat-Literal
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                          • Aug 2015
                          • 6983

                          #57
                          Originally posted by Vespare View Post
                          Having reviewed the Yamaha and BMW sites, my feeling is that the Yamaha course will be full of spotty teenagers, aching for a thrill.

                          The BMW course, while the attendees may be more your type, requires a full motorcycle licence.

                          There is a BMW rider centre in Royston, Herts, which runs on-road courses from the ground -up. I think it's Sam, a lady bike rider, who organises things. Give her a ring - but she will probably recommend their CBT course - which may be no bad thing!
                          That wasn't my reading on the basis of the people in the film.

                          My major concern is that they could be full of six figure salary so-called managers spending taxpayers money on a jolly.

                          I will never forget one of our frostiest high flyers at sports day turning from Oxbridge woman into something entirely different as she bounced around on a spacehopper for two hours.

                          Mind you, we all benefited from the circus skills course in the name of team building.

                          By the end of the afternoon, we could all make a sheep out of balloons but it was only I who opened it into a debate about whether it might be another statement on RVW2.

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                          • oddoneout
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2015
                            • 9415

                            #58
                            There have been some entertaining tales sparked by your post Lats. My inclination is to answer 'yes' to both parts of your question but if it's something you want to do then what we(or anyone else) think isn't really the issue, and not our decision to make, although forum input about what you might want to consider/be aware of could be of use in choosing an outfit if you decide to go head.

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                            • vinteuil
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 13065

                              #59
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                              ... article in today's Times commenting on midlife motorcycling injuries -

                              "A leading surgeon has warned that middle-aged men should be cautious when pulling on their leathers as hospital admissions of over-50s with motorcycle injuries have risen 65 per cent in a decade. Daniel Redfern, a consultant in trauma and orthopaedics at Lancashire Teaching Hospitals NHS Trust, said it had been “another summer of awful accidents” as he highlighted the life-changing impact of injuries in motorbike crashes. - : “When you’re on call and you meet someone for the first time who has been badly injured in a motorbike accident, you know you are going to be seeing them for months, maybe even years. Those first conversations are very difficult to have. They believe they will be restored to how they were and back on their bikes within a very short period of time. You know that’s not possible. You are also aware that they are likely to endure long-term, possibly permanent pain and disability, poorer career prospects, even an effect on their ability to enjoy a family life.”"

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                              • DracoM
                                Host
                                • Mar 2007
                                • 13005

                                #60


                                As I said upthread, I live in an area where motor-biking roars and snarls are the sound of every summer weekend, as the 'lads' head up onto the moors. And every day - and I do mean almost EVERY day in summer - the other sound is of ambulances. Two have already passed this a.m.

                                Talk to crews and they will say that 8 out of 10 accidents are to men over 50 on bikes that are way more powerful than they learnt on and way more powerful than can be well controlled in large areas of the serpentine, high-walled narrow roads round here.

                                The 'lads' may be in search of lost or continuing youth, but more often than not they meet another presiding presence.

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