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  • Eine Alpensinfonie
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    • Nov 2010
    • 20578

    The Battle of Hastings

    No, not the Bayeux Tapestry. I'm talking about the Stanley Holloway monologue, written by Marriott Edgar, with a piano accompaniment. I've been trying to track down the accompanying music for The Battle of Hastings for many years now.

    Can anyone point to a source for this? I have a good number of these musical monologues now, but I've never been able to get hold of the piano part for this one.

    Frau A and I perform these at parties. She can do any chosen accent. In fact she unconsciously speaks to anyone she meets in their native accent.



    THE BATTLE OF HASTINGS
    by
    Marriott Edgar


    I'll tell of the Battle of Hastings,
    As happened in days long gone by,
    When Duke William became King of England,
    And 'Arold got shot in the eye.

    It were this way - one day in October
    The Duke, who were always a toff
    Having no battles on at the moment,
    Had given his lads a day off.

    They'd all taken boats to go fishing,
    When some chap in t' Conqueror's ear
    Said 'Let's go and put breeze up the Saxons;'
    Said Bill - 'By gum, that's an idea.'

    Then turning around to his soldiers,
    He lifted his big Norman voice,
    Shouting - 'Hands up who's coming to England.'
    That was swank 'cos they hadn't no choice.

    They started away about tea-time -
    The sea was so calm and so still,
    And at quarter to ten the next morning
    They arrived at a place called Bexhill.

    King 'Arold came up as they landed -
    His face full of venom and 'ate -
    He said 'lf you've come for Regatta
    You've got here just six weeks too late.'

    At this William rose, cool but 'aughty,
    And said 'Give us none of your cheek;
    You'd best have your throne re-upholstered,
    I'll be wanting to use it next week.'

    When 'Arold heard this 'ere defiance,
    With rage he turned purple and blue,
    And shouted some rude words in Saxon,
    To which William answered - 'And you.'

    'Twere a beautiful day for a battle;
    The Normans set off with a will,
    And when both sides was duly assembled,
    They tossed for the top of the hill.

    King 'Arold he won the advantage,
    On the hill-top he took up his stand,
    With his knaves and his cads all around him,
    On his 'orse with his 'awk in his 'and.

    The Normans had nowt in their favour,
    Their chance of a victory seemed small,
    For the slope of the field were against them,
    And the wind in their faces an' all.

    The kick-off were sharp at two-thirty,
    And soon as the whistle had went
    Both sides started banging each other
    'Til the swineherds could hear them in Kent.

    The Saxons had best line of forwards,
    Well armed both with buckler and sword -
    But the Normans had best combination,
    And when half-time came neither had scored.

    So the Duke called his cohorts together
    And said - 'Let's pretend that we're beat,
    Once we get Saxons down on the level
    We'll cut off their means of retreat.'

    So they ran - and the Saxons ran after,
    Just exactly as William had planned,
    Leaving 'Arold alone on the hill-top
    On his 'orse with his 'awk in his 'and.

    When the Conqueror saw what had happened,
    A bow and an arrow he drew;
    He went right up to 'Arold and shot him.
    He were off-side, but what could they do?

    The Normans turned round in a fury,
    And gave back both parry and thrust,
    Till the fight were all over bar shouting,
    And you couldn't see Saxons for dust.

    And after the battle were over
    They found 'Arold so stately and grand,
    Sitting there with an eye-full of arrow
    On his 'orse with his 'awk in his 'and.
  • BBMmk2
    Late Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 20908

    #2
    Amn ancestor of the friend of mine, was responsible for the arrow that killed King Harold! Also, an ancestor of mine, came along, and was the chief instigator of the Norman invasion!
    Don’t cry for me
    I go where music was born

    J S Bach 1685-1750

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    • eighthobstruction
      Full Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 6469

      #3
      ....marvellous monologue....remember it well....

      ....yes bbm bet he was a sharp wit....
      bong ching

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      • Bryn
        Banned
        • Mar 2007
        • 24688

        #4
        Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
        No, not the Bayeux Tapestry. I'm talking about the Stanley Holloway monologue, written by Marriott Edgar, with a piano accompaniment. I've been trying to track down the accompanying music for The Battle of Hastings for many years now.

        Can anyone point to a source for this? I have a good number of these musical monologues now, but I've never been able to get hold of the piano part for this one.
        Could you not have a go at transcribing it by ear from:

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        • Eine Alpensinfonie
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          • Nov 2010
          • 20578

          #5
          Originally posted by Bryn View Post
          Could you not have a go at transcribing it by ear from:


          It would be easier if there wasn't someone speaking over the music (Tom Service-like). But, yes, it might be possible.

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          • Richard Tarleton

            #6
            Originally posted by Brassbandmaestro View Post
            Amn ancestor of the friend of mine, was responsible for the arrow that killed King Harold! Also, an ancestor of mine, came along, and was the chief instigator of the Norman invasion!
            BBM - Harold almost certainly was not killed by an arrow, but hacked into pieces by a small detatchment of Norman knights. The tapestry is all Norman propaganda. The chap with the arrow in his eye is not Harold (who is most likely the one to his right, with a mounted knight hacking into his thigh) and indeed the arrow was probably added to the tapestry hundreds of years later. Excellent article by Ben Macintyre in last Saturday's Times, here's a short extract:

            The most significant element of Norman propaganda concerns Harold’s death. The earliest account of the battle, the Song of the Battle of Hastings written by Bishop Guy of Amiens a year or so after the battle, states that Harold was killed by four knights, probably including Duke William himself, and then dismembered. The tapestry was created in the 1070s, but the claim that Harold had died from a single arrow in the eye only emerged later........

            ...the arrow was almost certainly a later addition, and the apparently mortally wounded figure may not even depict Harold. The king is more likely to be the man lying to the right, being trampled by a charger and diced up by a Norman knight. Etchings of the tapestry made in the 1730s appear to show the man on the left holding a spear, not an arrow. The first sketch of the tapestry with a fletched arrow is dated 1819, suggesting that by that point the tapestry had been updated to bring the pictorial record into line with the accepted myth.

            The arrow itself is odd. It bends to fit under the inscription, in a way that indicates a later addition. Measured against the other arrows stuck in his shield, it does not even appear long enough to penetrate his head. The hand holding it is awkwardly bent. But strangest of all is the direction of the missile itself; in order for an arrow, fired high into the air, to enter his eye at that angle, the king would have to have been staring into the sky, or lying on his back.

            The supine figure on the right being hacked at by a horseman surely depicts Harold at the point of death. Indeed, one of the earliest accounts describes a Norman knight slashing the king in the thigh, precisely as in the image.....William’s personal role in the barbaric killing of an anointed king was airbrushed from history, either omitted from later accounts or replaced with the divinely ordained arrow. This became accepted fact after the 19th-century needleworkers embroidered the legend into history.

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            • Keraulophone
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 1994

              #7
              Originally posted by Bryn View Post
              Could you not have a go at transcribing it by ear from:

              It’s only a gentle series of chords... but isn’t there one missing at the end: an affirmative tonic major?

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              • Bryn
                Banned
                • Mar 2007
                • 24688

                #8
                Originally posted by Keraulophone View Post
                It’s only a gentle series of chords... but isn’t there one missing at the end: an affirmative tonic major?
                I do not have immediate access to the original recording, so while that may be the case, I do not hear a need for it. If EA feels a need for such, he is quite able to supply it, I am sure.

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                • Alain Maréchal
                  Full Member
                  • Dec 2010
                  • 1288

                  #9
                  >>William’s personal role in the barbaric killing of an anointed king<<

                  There is another way of interpreting that;

                  William had already petitioned the Pope to depose Harold, and been granted that dispensation, because of Harold's breaking of the oaths he had taken in support of William's claim to the throne (Edward having appointed William his successor). Those oaths appear at the start of the tapestry story. In addition William had been instructed by the Pope to return England to its rightful course (the perjury of the King having tainted his entire nation and outlawed them). Before his embarkation William had offered prayer at all the churches on whose altars Harold had sworn, and after his victory visited the principal churches in Kent devoted to the same saints to give thanks. It was quite clearly a divinely appointed campaign, but building an Abbey on the site of Harold's death was a good insurance plan. (Building an Abbey was the usual way of obtaining the Pope's blessing - William built two in order to marry his cousin.)

                  Notably William was on this occasion more merciful than usual at the period. The teenage successor to Harold was supported by the Archbishops, but after his own coronation William confirmed him in his title of Jarl/Eorl/Earl, granted him a pension and told him to behave (he did).

                  NB I hope that opening is clear, I had trouble with the syntax (I often do).

                  I acknowledge the work of Dr Paul Bennett, MBE, of Canterbury who delivered this interpretation at a symposium in 2016.

                  afterthought: its interesting how History is viewed when it is local. I have noticed how the English refer to "us and them" in the context of the Norman Conquest, when what happened was the replacing of one set of foreign rulers (Danes) by another set (Danes who had settled in France). Further back there are references to the Romans invading "us" (i.e.you) , although I doubt if many descendants of the Britons of the period are still there (except in Wales). One of my grandfathers was Breton, perhaps I am descended from unromanised Britons.
                  Last edited by Alain Maréchal; 24-01-18, 11:36. Reason: further rumination

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                  • BBMmk2
                    Late Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 20908

                    #10
                    Many thanks, RT!
                    Don’t cry for me
                    I go where music was born

                    J S Bach 1685-1750

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                    • greenilex
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 1626

                      #11
                      Re: AM’s words on history and local feeling

                      I must confess to family prejudice in that my grandmother’s people had a very obviously Saxon name. Us down South has long, long memories for Norman thievery...

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                      • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                        Gone fishin'
                        • Sep 2011
                        • 30163

                        #12
                        Originally posted by greenilex View Post
                        . Us down South has long, long memories for Norman thievery...
                        "Down South"! Pah! Were you harried, sir?! Harried - that's proper "thievery"!



                        Eeeh - these soft southerners - don't know they're born!
                        [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                        • Eine Alpensinfonie
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                          • Nov 2010
                          • 20578

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Bryn View Post
                          I do not have immediate access to the original recording, so while that may be the case, I do not hear a need for it. If EA feels a need for such, he is quite able to supply it, I am sure.
                          True! That's the lest of my problems. Deciphering this rather vague recording isn't always easy. I've started it though.

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                          • Serial_Apologist
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                            • Dec 2010
                            • 37995

                            #14
                            Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                            "Down South"! Pah! Were you harried, sir?! Harried - that's proper "thievery"!



                            Eeeh - these soft southerners - don't know they're born!
                            Now when we were a lad, you got nowt for nowt, you had to pay for yer affirmative tonic major...

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                            • vinteuil
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 13065

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
                              Now when we were a lad, you got nowt for nowt, you had to pay for yer affirmative tonic major...
                              ... it's them normans, bringin' in their tierces de picardie, I tells 'ee..


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