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  • ardcarp
    Late member
    • Nov 2010
    • 11102

    NHS 'crisis'

    I wonder if part of the current pressure on hospitals is caused by the primary sector (i.e. GP practices) copping out of much of the work they would have undertaken in former years?

    An example from yesterday. Mrs A and I were walking through a small Wiltshire town. There was sort of 'crump' from behind us, and an elederly lady had just fallen over on the pavement. We picked her up and took her into a nearby tea-room as somewhere for her to sit down. She was clearly very shaken...and it soon emerged that she had a nasty bump on her head. The tea-room staff (who were very kind and helpful) said that we ought perhaps to take her to the local GP surgery which was just around the corner. This we did. Two indifferent receptionists, neither of whom made eye contact, were sitting behind a desk. I explained the situation. "All falls and bumps on the head go to A&E in Bath", one of them muttered. I explained that as Bath was 25 miles away and that we were not related to the casualty, we really would be most grateful if someone could take a look at her injuries. "Oh I suppose one of the nurses could see her", she sighed. "Take a seat". This we did. It transpired that the lady in question was (a) one of their patients (b) had lost her husband a few days ago and (c) had left her car with an hour's ticket in the paying car-park...a fact which was clearly preying on her mind.

    The nurse arrived in due course. She ordered an ambulance. I drove the lady's car to her home about a mile away. None of the GPs had seen her.

    OK, I know they are probably bogged down with computers, ticking boxes and so on. But where is the simple humanity that a medical practitioner (even in pre-NHS days) used to have?

    I have heard from others that many GPs nowadays, as a matter of course, send everyone off to A&E for the slightest thing that involves more than writing a prescription. Surely these highly-trained people should be doing more at the primary care end of the system?
  • eighthobstruction
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 6449

    #2
    ....I've been bookmarking NHS news pages over the last few months hoping that I would finally get around to writing to my MP who is too busy enviegling himself into the establishment by doing whatever the govt wishes, to woory about usfolk , almost without exception voting for all reactionary govt Bills....so much so that he is Chief Whip these days....the boy will go far....but he will never reach my heart....

    ....jolly good about the car; very kind....while I see your point ,probably hospital would be the best place....
    bong ching

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    • DracoM
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      • Mar 2007
      • 12993

      #3
      ardcarp: this is going to start an avalanche!!

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      • LMcD
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        • Sep 2017
        • 8686

        #4
        Just out of interest ... how can a thread have 0 views and 1 reply?

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        • eighthobstruction
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 6449

          #5
          avalanche....possibly better than floods....
          bong ching

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          • DracoM
            Host
            • Mar 2007
            • 12993

            #6
            Indeed!

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            • teamsaint
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 25231

              #7
              I can't really understand how it makes medical or financial sense to have everything, from life threatening conditions to something like the Mallet Finger that I had last year, dealt with in the same unit.

              Anyway, well done Ards, and welcome to West Wilts where a nice trip to the horribly inaccessible RUH comes free with every minor and unexpected complaint !
              I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

              I am not a number, I am a free man.

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              • cloughie
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                • Dec 2011
                • 22205

                #8
                Originally posted by LMcD View Post
                Just out of interest ... how can a thread have 0 views and 1 reply?
                I don't usually reply to threads on which I have 0 view!

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                • french frank
                  Administrator/Moderator
                  • Feb 2007
                  • 30507

                  #9
                  Having been that 'elderly lady' about six weeks ago (I fall over quite often these days), I had to get up (which I did very hastily) and walk painfully back home. I did toy with visiting my surgery - 2 minutes walk away - but knew I wouldn't be able to see even a nurse except by appointment, for which I'd wait at least a fortnight. I would then be sent to a local hospital to have my ribs X-rayed to check for damage. On reflection, if I'd remained sitting or lying on the pavement until someone stopped, they would have rung for an ambulance which would have arrived - when? And I would have sat in A&E for - how long? After which I'd have been sent home.

                  On balance it was best just to get up and walk home straight away and wait for everything to get better.
                  It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                  • cloughie
                    Full Member
                    • Dec 2011
                    • 22205

                    #10
                    Originally posted by eighthobstruction View Post
                    avalanche....possibly better than floods....
                    I may be wrong but has the NHS deteriorated since the Health minister from 2010 to 2012 introduced changes which have worked so badly that no one has heard of him since but the current teflon coated incumbent has done little to improve things but spends his time either upsetting NHS staff or apologising unreservedly for all the things that aren't happening.

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                    • Barbirollians
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                      • Nov 2010
                      • 11759

                      #11
                      Originally posted by cloughie View Post
                      I may be wrong but has the NHS deteriorated since the Health minister from 2010 to 2012 introduced changes which have worked so badly that no one has heard of him since but the current teflon coated incumbent has done little to improve things but spends his time either upsetting NHS staff or apologising unreservedly for all the things that aren't happening.
                      You combine ideology and incompetence (Lansley)with gross underfunding and an ageing population it is no surprise we have the current horrific situation in the NHS.

                      As for GPs they are exhausted and run ragged by all the admin they now have to do . Then one has where I live a proposal to shut the minor injuries unit which will only lead to more pressure on A& E .

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                      • teamsaint
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 25231

                        #12
                        Our GPs are exceptionally well rewarded financially.

                        We explore in more depth, the financial remuneration that you can expect to receive in some of the highest paying countries for doctors.


                        Second only to the US according to this site. They do have the option of working fewer hours, and still earning a very good salary.
                        I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

                        I am not a number, I am a free man.

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                        • eighthobstruction
                          Full Member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 6449

                          #13
                          ...Oh Lansley....Life Peer....He owns a Pimlico property, but has claimed over £7000 for hotel stays....easy done when you are slippery....
                          bong ching

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                          • eighthobstruction
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 6449

                            #14
                            Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
                            Our GPs are exceptionally well rewarded financially.

                            We explore in more depth, the financial remuneration that you can expect to receive in some of the highest paying countries for doctors.


                            Second only to the US according to this site. They do have the option of working fewer hours, and still earning a very good salary.
                            yep!!
                            bong ching

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                            • Once Was 4
                              Full Member
                              • Jul 2011
                              • 312

                              #15
                              Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
                              Our GPs are exceptionally well rewarded financially.

                              We explore in more depth, the financial remuneration that you can expect to receive in some of the highest paying countries for doctors.


                              Second only to the US according to this site. They do have the option of working fewer hours, and still earning a very good salary.
                              But let us not forget the behaviour of a lot of the British public. Thoughts immediately go to those who purposefully get themselves blind drunk on Friday and Saturday nights and expect the dedicated NHS teams -
                              A&E staff, paramedics etc not to mention the police and other emergency services - to deal with their irresponsible behaviour. And what about the 'no shows' for appointments - one local GP surgery now posts a list every month and it is as long as your arm - all a waste of taxpayer's money and doctors/staff time. For myself I had an an appointment in connection with some surgery which I need; the appointment was with a leading General Surgery consultant and I got there, as is my wont, half an hour early only to be ushered straight in as the two previous patients had not turned up and the surgeon was waiting and getting very bored - a top level consultant who could have been busy saving/improving lives. And as a relative who works in the NHS pointed out, doubtless these 'no shows' would then be demanding replacement appointments at times to suit themselves. It is not a question of letting politicians off the hook but those who hurl abuse at them on Facebook should really think a bit more and shout a bit less.

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