Is home "taping" still permissible in the UK? Elsewhere?

[Dave2002]

I don't know what the 'posting policy' is now but it has always been the case that direct downloading from the iPlayer is not 'legal', from the BBC's point of view and as relating to the rights which they have negotiated. Why it should be legal to record off-air, in real time, and end up with a permanent recording of a programme but not all right to download and end up with a permanent recording of the same programme takes one into the area of strict legality as against sensible practicality.

Partly it's because of the quality of the download, and partly also because it may be relatively quick and easy to use software/hardware methods which perhaps might download in faster than real time, thus making it much easier for some users to pirate copies, and then use those to sell on.

Quite why it would matter for users who have no intention of selling the material, and are perhaps simply keeping copies for educational or other not so unreasonable purposes is an open question.

That may also be a reason why the stream for R3 is the only one which is at a significantly higher quality than the other channels. Perhaps the Beeb actually figures that (1) most R3 listeners are unlikely to do such a thing, and (2) even if they do, the potential market for getting rich that way is minute.

[cloughie]

A few years ago I was running a workshop for music teachers at the BBC at the Media Centre in White City. Most of this was concerned with showing them free software tools to use in the classroom for composition, performance and teaching. One of the teachers commented that whilst they found loads of interesting things on a "listen again" part of the BBC website (this was a while before the current iPlayer) there was no way of saving them and as the internet didn't work very well in school wanted to know a simple way of "saving" these broadcasts. "Simple" I said and proceeded to show the group how to get your computer to record every sound it makes and how to go about using this technique to "rip" anything you found on the internet.... all went well until the door opened to a group of chaps in suits on a tour of the building ... "and what is happening in here" was the questions... "erm..... composition things" being the almost truthful reply. In my defence had I said "O, I'm just showing these teachers how to overcome all your copyright restrictions using open source software" I guess that would be the end of the gig?

I do think people are more pragmatic these days, educational use and all that.....

Hang on a minute there was a period of time when BBC Schools programmes were broadcast overnight to be taped by schools so that the programmes did not clutter up the daytime schedules.

[MrGongGong]

Hang on a minute there was a period of time when BBC Schools programmes were broadcast overnight to be taped by schools so that the programmes did not clutter up the daytime schedules.

Indeed there was
I was more talking about ANYTHING that was streamed via the internet

[Bryn]

Partly it's because of the quality of the download, and partly also because it may be relatively quick and easy to use software/hardware methods which perhaps might download in faster than real time, thus making it much easier for some users to pirate copies, and then use those to sell on.

Quite why it would matter for users who have no intention of selling the material, and are perhaps simply keeping copies for educational or other not so unreasonable purposes is an open question.

That may also be a reason why the stream for R3 is the only one which is at a significantly higher quality than the other channels. Perhaps the Beeb actually figures that (1) most R3 listeners are unlikely to do such a thing, and (2) even if they do, the potential market for getting rich that way is minute.

Radio 3 is no longer alone in having 320kbps aac on the iPlayer.

[subcontrabass]

Hang on a minute there was a period of time when BBC Schools programmes were broadcast overnight to be taped by schools so that the programmes did not clutter up the daytime schedules.

That only seems to have finished earlier this year (with broadcasts on Radio 4 DAB from 3 a.m. to 4 a.m. on weekdays). They now use a separate channel on the iPlayer at those times as well as downloadable podcasts.

[Bryn]

For those interested, the get_iplayer program got an update to version 3.06.0 today.

[Dave2002]

For those interested, the get_iplayer program got an update to version 3.06.0 today.

I am aware of the program, but I thought use of it might violate some of the T&Cs.