...Anyone Enjoy the Trooping?

[Freddie Campbell]

...Did you Draw that Flos? What a talent!(LOL)

[scottycelt]

No doubt if there was a referendum it would suffer the same fate as the AV referendum - the 'no' camp would flood the media with lies & specious arguments (cf the post opposing 'democracy' & 'republic'); the funding for any campaign would be seriously unbalanced - Charlie for one would be pouring millions into the 'no' campaign, along with all the assorted aristocracy whose legitimacy depends on the monarchy.

So what you, as a republican, are saying is that 'the people' are easily swayed and so stupid they cannot make make up their own minds ... ?

I very much doubt 'Charlie' would be allowed to pour 'millions' into any referendum campaign. In any case, even if he could, the result would be so overwhelming in favour of the monarchy anyway that he would simply be wasting his money ...

Like AV, the referendum will be lost because 'the people' don't want change ... simple as that, whatever pathetic excuses some conjure up to explain defeat.

[Flosshilde]

Scotty, the AV 'no' campaign produced a great deal of specious 'facts', like the increased costs of elections, which had no basis in reality. I don't see that a referendum on abolition of the monarchy would be any different. & who or what would prevent Charles giving money to the campaign?

[Freddie Campbell]

...Well my point about Charles is he is a modernist & would therefore reduce the Royal Family & their role in running British Society to a minimum-thereby approaching
nearer to the Democracy many seek & bringing power closer to the people...

[scottycelt]

Scotty, the AV 'no' campaign produced a great deal of specious 'facts', like the increased costs of elections, which had no basis in reality. I don't see that a referendum on abolition of the monarchy would be any different. & who or what would prevent Charles giving money to the campaign?

There is little point in resuming the battle over yet another lost cause such as AV, and the specious 'facts' were certainly not confined to one side only!

Any referendum regarding the abolition of the monarchy would presumably be subject to appropriate rules and regulations set by the Government of the day. Prince Charles, or any other member of Royalty, being allowed to pour money into a campaign deciding the monarchy's survival would be just too ridiculous for words, and totally unacceptable to everybody including, I suspect, the Royal Family itself.

Do you know, Floss, I also have a hunch that, from his own personal point of view, Charles might well secretly dream of a republican victory in such an imaginary poll as he would then be a completely free man, and the accompanying 'Act of Settlement' would almost certainly allow him and his relatives to retain a decent proportion of their current wealth.

The assumption that any of our leading royals couldn't possibly prefer an alternative lifestyle is a very big one indeed ...

[Richard Tarleton]

...Well my point about Charles is he is a modernist

My only contribution to this thread thus far has been on the subject of bearskins, but just on a point of order Freddie, in what respect is Charles a modernist? Would this be the Charles who built Poundbury, hates modern architecture, created Duchy Originals, likes Parry (or was it Stanford), travels with a huge retinue of valets, has 6 boiled eggs put in front of him to ensure he gets a perfect one....His mentors of choice are mystics rather than modernists or radicals.

He's deeply conservative, and wedded to the traditions which ensure he lives in his privileged protective bubble.

[MrGongGong]

...Well my point about Charles is he is a modernist

"yeah right"
and I have the largest collection of recordings of The Dream Of Gerontius in the UK and play a different version every evening

but back to the trumping for a moment
why do people in England seem to think that this is what we do very well ?
have they never seen Kabuki ?

[MrGongGong]

That's really spoilt my breakfast

[Paul Sherratt]

Sorry Gong !
That was thoughtless - lost track of time today having been up, out and about since 5.30am.
I should have waited until elevenses.

[Freddie Campbell]

...Richard you may well be right! I think Charles is at least forward-thinking though...

[MrGongGong]

"forward-thinking"
my arse

[Freddie Campbell]

...Well spoken Father Jack!

[Flosshilde]

There is little point in resuming the battle over yet another lost cause such as AV, and the specious 'facts' were certainly not confined to one side only!

Quite agree. I was just using it as an example. I'm sure the Scottish devolution campaign (the 'no' campaign) had equally specious arguments.

Do you know, Floss, I also have a hunch that, from his own personal point of view, Charles might well secretly dream of a republican victory in such an imaginary poll as he would then be a completely free man, and the accompanying 'Act of Settlement' would almost certainly allow him and his relatives to retain a decent proportion of their current wealth.

Don't you mean 'indecent', Scotty?

[Freddie Campbell]

...Have a listen to my Charles- www.fredjamesc.com/ voiceover