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  • Roger Webb
    Full Member
    • Feb 2024
    • 1195

    Just returned from Gower....terrific gorse fire one day - the cottage we stayed in was (is!!) on the cliff edge near Rhossili. Smoked out, but no damage done....we phoned the farmer nearby who was unconcerned, as if it happened every day, and said it usually just burned itself out!

    BTW S-A, you were a little too correct about the weather being dry!

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    • oddoneout
      Full Member
      • Nov 2015
      • 9577

      Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
      The attached article has me thinking in terms of this particular district. Given that it is heavily (and some would say enviably) wooded, are we at greater risk from fires due to climate change?

      That summer saw temperatures in this country hit 40°C for the first time and left firefighters stretched, with London Fire Brigade having its ‘busiest day since the Second World War’. The study, involving the Met Office, UK Centre for Ecology & Hydrology and University of Exeter, highlights h...


      I tend to assume not. There is no open grassland or heath in the vicinity, and our neighbouring woodlands and street trees are nearly all of the temperate deciduous type - although we do have three tall conifers in the garden which would be easily flammable.
      In this part of the world we have all the makings of wildfire problems, and indeed 2022 demonstrated that all too well. Large arable fields at certain times of the year contain flammable material, we have large areas of heath and coniferous forest. In addition to the usual risk factors from idiot humans(naked flames, discarded glass etc) an additional headache in the recent spells of very hot weather has been fires arising from agricultural machinery. Machinery can overheat to the point of combustion when used for extended periods in hot weather(very frightening for the driver) but another is when flints are smashed by harvesters and send sparks into dry crop waste. Both can result in very fast moving fires, not least as there is wind movement most days even before the fire itself starts generating it.

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      • Serial_Apologist
        Full Member
        • Dec 2010
        • 38278

        Originally posted by Roger Webb View Post
        Just returned from Gower....terrific gorse fire one day - the cottage we stayed in was (is!!) on the cliff edge near Rhossili. Smoked out, but no damage done....we phoned the farmer nearby who was unconcerned, as if it happened every day, and said it usually just burned itself out!

        BTW S-A, you were a little too correct about the weather being dry!
        I am consistently politically correct, Roger!

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        • Serial_Apologist
          Full Member
          • Dec 2010
          • 38278

          Astonishing weather today - sudden heavy hail showers turning the ground white within seconds, temperature up and down like a yo-yo - but not that atypical for spring.

          Edit - Distant thunder just heard in the direction of Croydon.
          Last edited by Serial_Apologist; 13-03-25, 18:21.

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          • Guest

            Here, in Cumbria - a word never mentioned in BBC forecasts - it is and has been for ten or so days piercingly cold on wow-vengeful EASTERLY winds.

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            • Pulcinella
              Host
              • Feb 2014
              • 11487

              Amazing full moon here, apparently called the Worm Moon.

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              • Pulcinella
                Host
                • Feb 2014
                • 11487

                From a Times report about the rain in Spain:

                In the first nine days of March, 59.5 litres per square metre fell in the country as a whole, which is as much as it usually does in the whole month.

                Is litres per square metre a standard European measure?

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                • Serial_Apologist
                  Full Member
                  • Dec 2010
                  • 38278

                  Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
                  From a Times report about the rain in Spain:

                  In the first nine days of March, 59.5 litres per square metre fell in the country as a whole, which is as much as it usually does in the whole month.

                  Is litres per square metre a standard European measure?
                  To be honest I have no idea, but it would seem to make logical sense.

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                  • Pulcinella
                    Host
                    • Feb 2014
                    • 11487

                    Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post

                    To be honest I have no idea, but it would seem to make logical sense.
                    Not too logical:

                    A litre is a cubic decimetre, equal to 1000 cubic centimetres or 0.001 cubic metres. It is not an SI unit, but it is accepted for use with SI and has various derived units, such as millilitre and kilolitre.

                    I'd rather know the amount as a height measurement straight away rather than have to do a bit of calculation.

                    So 59.7 (let's call it 60) litres per square metre means 60,000 cubic centimetres per square metre (100 x 100 centimetres, = 10,000 square centimetres); i.e., 6 cm of rainfall (much easier to comprehend).
                    (Hope I've got my sums right!)

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                    • Pulcinella
                      Host
                      • Feb 2014
                      • 11487

                      News to me: Equilux day

                      https://www.thetimes.com/article/dee506c7-56cd-4db7-b18c-531d6e555633?shareToken=ec74c7773e8fcd2a028342f5da 440b08

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                      • oddoneout
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2015
                        • 9577

                        More here:
                        https://weather.metoffice.gov.uk/learn-about/weather/seasons/equinox-and-solstice#:~:text=The%20equilux%20is%20when%20day,d ays%20after%20the%20autumn%20equinox.

                        It's duplication, sorry, but I couldn't initially access the Times article.

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                        • vinteuil
                          Full Member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 13262

                          ... very dramatic thunder and lightning, torrential rain and much hail (usefully cleaning away much bird crap) Very noisy!

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                          • Serial_Apologist
                            Full Member
                            • Dec 2010
                            • 38278

                            Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
                            ... very dramatic thunder and lightning, torrential rain and much hail (usefully cleaning away much bird crap) Very noisy!

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                            We missed that completely down here, although the sky was very threatening in your direction for a time.

                            Apart from a brief breakdown this coming Friday and Saturday, climate change seems to be presently manifesting as constant alternations between "zonal" - predominantly westerly types, as of old - and "meridional", where blockages in jet stream continuity, much more frequent and regular than the occasional events they used to be (maybe three per year) now result in winds approaching from north or south, with an associated greater range of temperature extremes and dry/wet period alternations.

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                            • Serial_Apologist
                              Full Member
                              • Dec 2010
                              • 38278

                              In case anybody here is still interested all looks pretty good for the weekend, apart from a little rain and breeziness for the north and west - after which high pressure already building across the south is expected to intensify as it transfers east, bringing still quite cold nights but increasing diurnal warmth up to Thursday of next week, when possibly the highest temperatures so far this year will be experienced widely across southern and western areas away from the E coast. Beyond there is a lot of uncertainty, present bets being on that same high pressure system retreating north westwards, and with the Atlantic jet reconstituting itself way to the south (meaning more wet weather for the Med!) allowing low pressure centres to skirt to the south, cooler cloudier nor'easterlies would once more be on the cards, well into April. So, farmers and gardeners will by that point be starting to fret for more rain!

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                              • oddoneout
                                Full Member
                                • Nov 2015
                                • 9577

                                Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
                                In case anybody here is still interested all looks pretty good for the weekend, apart from a little rain and breeziness for the north and west - after which high pressure already building across the south is expected to intensify as it transfers east, bringing still quite cold nights but increasing diurnal warmth up to Thursday of next week, when possibly the highest temperatures so far this year will be experienced widely across southern and western areas away from the E coast. Beyond there is a lot of uncertainty, present bets being on that same high pressure system retreating north westwards, and with the Atlantic jet reconstituting itself way to the south (meaning more wet weather for the Med!) allowing low pressure centres to skirt to the south, cooler cloudier nor'easterlies would once more be on the cards, well into April. So, farmers and gardeners will by that point be starting to fret for more rain!
                                Well, a bit of rain wouldn't go amiss now in these parts, everything is getting very dusty! The past few days have been quite a rollercoaster temperature-wise, depending on direction of the wind and whether the sun has managed to get through. Layers have been very much the order of the day; Wednesday was glorious and jackets and jumpers were shed during the weekly volunteer garden session, but Thursday was distinctly chilly until the sun finally got through mid-afternoon.

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