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  • Serial_Apologist
    Full Member
    • Dec 2010
    • 37855

    Originally posted by BBMmk2 View Post
    We on a hill, would I. Be expecting more frost?

    Lovely morning, so far.
    Well, (or should I begin "So"?), normally temperatures tend to fall with height, obviously; but in the case of valleys at night, they tend to be colder than their surrounding hill tops - one obvious reason being that the sun disappearing behind those hills earlier than atop them means temperatures have a longer time span, longer nights, in which to fall. There's another factor, known as "katabatic flow", in which air seeps down into valleys at night from surrounding hills, further aiding the cooling process. To be honest I don't know how this works, however, because descending air usually tends to warm up by compression, as we see with inversion caps preventing upward convective growth of cumulus under high pressure conditions.

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    • oddoneout
      Full Member
      • Nov 2015
      • 9308

      Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
      Well, (or should I begin "So"?), normally temperatures tend to fall with height, obviously; but in the case of valleys at night, they tend to be colder than their surrounding hill tops - one obvious reason being that the sun disappearing behind those hills earlier than atop them means temperatures have a longer time span, longer nights, in which to fall. There's another factor, known as "katabatic flow", in which air seeps down into valleys at night from surrounding hills, further aiding the cooling process. To be honest I don't know how this works, however, because descending air usually tends to warm up by compression, as we see with inversion caps preventing upward convective growth of cumulus under high pressure conditions.
      Britannica suggests that the speed of descending air is relevant https://www.britannica.com/science/katabatic-wind Certainly it is something which agriculture and horticulture has to be aware of - frost pockets are not good for fruit blossom etc.
      Interesting bit here about implications for aviation https://www.skybrary.aero/index.php/Katabatic_Wind

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      • BBMmk2
        Late Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 20908

        Another good day today, by the looks of it. Going to town later, to our local hospital for a regular blood test, then onto the worrying environment of Sainsbury’s!
        Don’t cry for me
        I go where music was born

        J S Bach 1685-1750

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        • cloughie
          Full Member
          • Dec 2011
          • 22205

          Looks a good day here today - hopefully will be warm enough to visit the pub which today reopens its (garden) door this afternoon.

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          • Pulcinella
            Host
            • Feb 2014
            • 11114

            Not quite so bright today here as yesterday was, but still good enough to join a few neighbours (socially distanced, of course) for coffee (and probably a bun!) outdoors at the local library, since that has now become an option again.
            I need to renew my library ticket too (as well as letting me use the library, it's the easiest way to get free access to the Minster, though other ID showing York residency works just as well), and I'm donating my copy of Mordew (sorry, DracoM; didn't like it at all, but I finished it, and as I'm a 'careful' reader it still looks brand new) for which I see they have a reservation waiting but no copy as yet!

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            • DracoM
              Host
              • Mar 2007
              • 12994

              'Mordew'????????????
              Sorry - don't understand?

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              • cloughie
                Full Member
                • Dec 2011
                • 22205

                Originally posted by DracoM View Post
                'Mordew'????????????
                Sorry - don't understand?
                Well better than ground frost!

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                • Pulcinella
                  Host
                  • Feb 2014
                  • 11114

                  Originally posted by DracoM View Post
                  'Mordew'????????????
                  Sorry - don't understand?
                  I thought that it was a book that you had recommended, by Alex Pheby.
                  Perhaps someone else did; I'm sure I saw mention of it on a forum thread.

                  PS: Sorry, Draco.
                  It was first mentioned by Belgrove (post #2342) and then endorsed by Highland Dougie (post #2347 and post #2359) on the 'What are you reading now?' thread.

                  No blame attaches to you whatsoever!


                  It was you who recommended the Patrick Ness Chaos walking trilogy, which I DID enjoy!
                  Last edited by Pulcinella; 16-04-21, 11:46. Reason: PS added.

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                  • Serial_Apologist
                    Full Member
                    • Dec 2010
                    • 37855

                    Originally posted by cloughie View Post
                    Well better than ground frost!
                    Which we had yet again, this morning. Otherwise it's a nicer day than yesterday, with the cumulus not this time piling up into shower clouds, so the inversion cap must have descended. It will probably frost up again tonight, meaning I will have to don gloves for my 9 am cycle ride to the nearest Sainsbury's. It's a good time for the weekend's grocery shopping: unlike where I was living before, in Essex, where the car park would be full by 9 am, most people around here have presumably been partying the previous night and are still sleeping it off!

                    It all still looks good for the weekend, and gradually warming up for "proper" spring temperatures next week.

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                    • DracoM
                      Host
                      • Mar 2007
                      • 12994

                      It was you who recommended the Patrick Ness Chaos walking trilogy, which I DID enjoy![/QUOTE]

                      HURRAY!

                      And fantastic Spring day here - warm, inviting, Vitamin D rich!

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                      • cloughie
                        Full Member
                        • Dec 2011
                        • 22205

                        Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
                        Which we had yet again, this morning. Otherwise it's a nicer day than yesterday, with the cumulus not this time piling up into shower clouds, so the inversion cap must have descended. It will probably frost up again tonight, meaning I will have to don gloves for my 9 am cycle ride to the nearest Sainsbury's. It's a good time for the weekend's grocery shopping: unlike where I was living before, in Essex, where the car park would be full by 9 am, most people around here have presumably been partying the previous night and are still sleeping it off!

                        It all still looks good for the weekend, and gradually warming up for "proper" spring temperatures next week.
                        Good to see you picking up the Cornish way of speaking!

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                        • BBMmk2
                          Late Member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 20908

                          A lovely day today. Just a nip, this morning but probably going to be warmer.
                          Don’t cry for me
                          I go where music was born

                          J S Bach 1685-1750

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                          • Pulcinella
                            Host
                            • Feb 2014
                            • 11114

                            Originally posted by BBMmk2 View Post
                            A lovely day today. Just a nip, this morning but probably going to be warmer.
                            Isn't it a bit early to be starting on the whisk(e)y, BBM?
                            Or was it from the dog, asking to be let out?

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                            • cloughie
                              Full Member
                              • Dec 2011
                              • 22205

                              Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
                              Isn't it a bit early to be starting on the whisk(e)y, BBM?
                              Or was it from the dog, asking to be let out?
                              Or the hair of the dog?

                              Another beautiful morning here 10C.

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                              • DracoM
                                Host
                                • Mar 2007
                                • 12994

                                Another spiffing Spring day.

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