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  • french frank
    Administrator/Moderator
    • Feb 2007
    • 30206

    A discussion perhaps for when it's all over rather than just now?
    It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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    • vinteuil
      Full Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 12765

      Originally posted by french frank View Post
      . I'm completely unaware of any 'oppressive blanket miasma of nationalism', beyond a certain exuberance shown here. t
      ... the 'miasma of nationalism' is not here on these excellent threads - no, what we have here is great 'exuberance', which is of course wonderful.

      I am no 'hater' (what would that mean?) of football or footballerers, and I think it a delight that fans like jayne can get such joy from watching their games.

      My loathing is for the effect these over-hyped events have on people, capitalised on by our media and politicians, seen at its most extreme in national events such as this, and the assumption that everyone goes along with it

      .

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      • teamsaint
        Full Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 25190

        Sadly, there is apparently nowhere else on the internet left to annoy people, so football haters are reduced to coming onto this thread, apparently to show those of us that actually like football and this thread , OUR thread , the errors of our ways.

        We know, we get it. Football isn’t perfect. We know the flaws and issues. We just don't need people on this forum deliberately trying to ruin a great moment for us.

        It really isn’t too much to ask.
        Last edited by teamsaint; 09-07-21, 21:09.
        I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

        I am not a number, I am a free man.

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        • Edgy 2
          Guest
          • Jan 2019
          • 2035

          Club or Country ? that old chestnut

          Interesting feature on Talksport Radio

          There are for example Arsenal fans out there who won't cheer when Kane scores for England

          So England fans you can only choose one, your club win their league next season OR England win on Sunday

          Stockport County champions of the National League next season would have to take priorty for me I'm afraid
          “Music is the best means we have of digesting time." — Igor Stravinsky

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          • jayne lee wilson
            Banned
            • Jul 2011
            • 10711

            Respect Edge, you are a true fan and a true friend (who always makes me think and smile), true as they come, but.....

            This is England, EURO 2020/21.... All are Welcome...... with GLEE......
            Sweet Caroline by Noah Puckerman (Mark Salling) [Season 1, Episode 8]


            When the Sainsburys delivery guy came today, we ended up belting this out together!

            "Good times never seemed so good
            I've been inclined
            To believe they never would
            But now...."


            We are in the rare, very rare moment. They don't come around too often...

            (BTW.... after the last three weeks, I've forgiven Jordan Pickford. Imagine that.)
            Last edited by jayne lee wilson; 09-07-21, 20:32.

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            • Dave2002
              Full Member
              • Dec 2010
              • 18008

              Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
              .
              A nine-year-old boy was forced to flee after his father was punched in the stomach by England fans.


              .
              Appaling - it's only a game. That's the kind of behaviour which we shouldn't condone.

              Otherwise surely most people are enjoying this event - or are otherwise indifferent to it.

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              • teamsaint
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 25190

                Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
                You hit the spot, (as usual), again.

                ****

                The football-haters on this thread.... (why do they keep coming back? Just to upset the true fans who are having the rarest time of our lives?)7
                They need to look at themselves. In the mirror. Very closely. Why spoil other's joy, at such a remarkable time, with their prejudice and ignorance?...

                "Haters gonna hate", and they will always pick up on those news stories which show - variously, football, or England, in the worst possible light. They are usually ignorant of other sports too - they don't know that such controversies have always existed, in most sports, throughout History (this could be a very long list, including the long and complex intertwining on sport and politics).

                . Yet they continue to vent spleen here, when they should just - find something else to do with their time, something else to LOVE, not to HATE. STOP INDULGING THEIR IGNORANT ATTEMPT TO SPOIL. Look at yourselves, vinteuil and ff and the rest!
                Are you unaware of the campaigns FOR HUNGRY KIDS, BLM, HUMAN RIGHTS, begun, and supported by MARCUS RASHFORD AND RAHEEM STERLING? (HERO OF THE EUROS) WHO FOUGHT SO MANY BATTLES TO SUCCEED, THEMSELVES?
                THIS IS THE MOST DIVERSE ENGLAND TEAM IN HISTORY! Yet you focus on our silly, bandwagonning PM (Old-Etonian Rugby fan, if a sports fan at all), just to make your trivial, mean spirited points. SHAME ON ALL OF YOU AND YOUR IGNORANCE!!

                My support of England is not remotely to do with "Nationalism", let alone the crudely destructive Brexit variety. England are my team, just as Liverpool are. I've followed them and all of their fortunes and misfortunes all my life.

                But as for "WE".... of course the team you support, the fans, the stadium crowds and the 24 Million TV viewers (for the semi) are.... WE. WE!!!

                That is what supporting a team means, and always meant. This is a wonderful moment for such fans, and we won't let others bring us down (including idiots with lasers or those who harass other supporters)...

                ALL THE FOOTBALL HATERS HERE ARE DOING IS - SUPPORTING THOSE IDIOTS IN THEIR IGNORANCE! IGNORING THE MILLIONS IN OUR JOY!!
                Jayne, I was in the Stadio Communale for England v Belgium in 1980, and in Turin for a day either side of the game.
                The was bad behaviour from England fans, from Italians in the streets and by police. I saw it , I was there.
                But the narrative that is given, and especially in this country, is that “England fans rioted”. But that was just part of what went on .
                We should be very careful of the media narrative, and how enthusiasm for a team and sport is interpreted. For every person standing and singing the British (!!) national anthem , there are probably as many just putting up with it because we have to as a quick chat in our work group today showed.
                And for every person booing the Danish anthem, there would be 99 showing due respect.


                And BTW, I had forgotten through the fog of tear gas what a sublime goal Ray Wilkins scored that day in Turin.

                I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

                I am not a number, I am a free man.

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                • Edgy 2
                  Guest
                  • Jan 2019
                  • 2035

                  Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
                  Respect Edge, you are a true fan and a true friend (who always makes me think and smile), true as they come, but.....

                  This is England, EURO 2020/21.... All are Welcome...... with GLEE......
                  Sweet Caroline by Noah Puckerman (Mark Salling) [Season 1, Episode 8]


                  When the Sainsburys delivery guy came today, we ended up belting this out together!

                  "Good times never seemed so good
                  I've been inclined
                  To believe they never would
                  But now...."


                  We are in the rare, very rare moment. They don't come around too often...

                  (BTW.... after the last three weeks, I've forgiven Jordan Pickford. Imagine that.)
                  Nice one our jayne
                  “Music is the best means we have of digesting time." — Igor Stravinsky

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                  • Edgy 2
                    Guest
                    • Jan 2019
                    • 2035

                    Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
                    Jayne, I was in the Stadio Communale for England v Belgium in 1980, and in Turin for a day either side of the game.
                    The was bad behaviour from England fans, from Italians in the streets and by police. I saw it , I was there.
                    But the narrative that is given, and especially in this country, is that “England fans rioted”. But that was just part of what went on .
                    We should be very careful of the media narrative, and how enthusiasm for a team and sport is interpreted. For every person standing and singing the British (!!) national anthem , there are probably as many just putting up with it because we have to as a quick chat in our work group today showed.
                    And for every person booing the Danish anthem, there would be 99 showing due respect.


                    And BTW, I had forgotten through the fog of tear gas what a sublime goal Ray Wilkins scored that day in Turin.

                    Great post ts, yep what a goal that was
                    “Music is the best means we have of digesting time." — Igor Stravinsky

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                    • jayne lee wilson
                      Banned
                      • Jul 2011
                      • 10711

                      Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
                      Jayne, I was in the Stadio Communale for England v Belgium in 1980, and in Turin for a day either side of the game.
                      The was bad behaviour from England fans, from Italians in the streets and by police. I saw it , I was there.
                      But the narrative that is given, and especially in this country, is that “England fans rioted”. But that was just part of what went on .
                      We should be very careful of the media narrative, and how enthusiasm for a team and sport is interpreted. For every person standing and singing the British (!!) national anthem , there are probably as many just putting up with it because we have to as a quick chat in our work group today showed.
                      And for every person booing the Danish anthem, there would be 99 showing due respect.


                      And BTW, I had forgotten through the fog of tear gas what a sublime goal Ray Wilkins scored that day in Turin.

                      Accuracy, fairness and respect from you TS - as we've long come to expect.... thanks. Great memory! But yes - I watched as the tear gas curled up and across the scene on TV....

                      On my first visit to Switzerland in 1981, the papers were appalled and perplexed by the English Supporters' destructive behaviour, at the World Cup qualifying matches and in the towns outside. My students and colleagues kept saying, "we can't imagine you being a part of that"...( a subsequent 1-2 defeat to Norway seemed, even to me, apt punishment).
                      I tried my best to explain..... being from Liverpool helped, especially when we won the European Cup in Paris, against Real, in 1981, where our support was joyful and impeccable. A lovely dinner afterwards in Neuchâtel, courtesy the Suisses-Italiennes! (Variously supporters of FC Zurich, Juve, Inter....).

                      Heysel was of course still to come.... and Hillsborough after that. One writer, I forget which, called Liverpool "the Kennedy Family of football". Just so. Ostracism; exclusion. Long and arduous battles against injustice followed. This took many years of slow, only partial, recovery. But there are some things you never really get over. Then finally, in 2005, we had The Miracle of Istanbul. Overwhelming, almost unbearable.. Redemption hardly begins to describe it. Part of a rich, deep, complex and tragic cultural identity.

                      ****

                      I'd not noticed before - just how similar Ray Wilkins' goal was to Gazza's dentist-chair 2nd against Scotland in 1996... works of the football art, both...
                      Last edited by jayne lee wilson; 10-07-21, 02:24.

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                      • Alison
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 6455

                        Rip Paul Mariner 1953-2021

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                        • johncorrigan
                          Full Member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 10337

                          Originally posted by Alison View Post
                          Rip Paul Mariner 1953-2021
                          Fine player with a great name I thought, Alison.

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                          • EnemyoftheStoat
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 1131

                            Originally posted by johncorrigan View Post
                            Fine player with a great name I thought, Alison.
                            Oh, farther, farther sail.

                            RIP

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                            • jayne lee wilson
                              Banned
                              • Jul 2011
                              • 10711

                              Paul Mariner lit up many a Match of the Day didn't he? Lovely clips here....


                              He certainly took the fight to those Millwall bushwhackers - in the only way you should....!

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                              • jayne lee wilson
                                Banned
                                • Jul 2011
                                • 10711

                                Quick reminder....
                                Copa America Final, Argentina v Brazil, is live tonight on BBC1/iplayer from 00:45.....
                                From the Maracana, but with only 7,800 fans allowed in....
                                Last edited by jayne lee wilson; 11-07-21, 01:56.

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